World Aroid Club?

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.07.16 at 16:38:47(7042) What's the next carousel? Anything funny happened on the way to the Show? Tell you what! +More On the 16th July, one Member in France is still waiting for his Newsletter. Any auction bids on that? Don't despair! I hope to have News 23(2) ready for Jill our Graphics Editor to apply graffiti on 24th or 25th of.....July. So maybe our Inuit Members will get their 23(2) direct before 23(1)? You just gotta laugh else you'd surely crock. The Web Site "Show" Page is waiting final details before posting. The magnificent "Living Rain Forest" in UK is interested in buying, & exchanging spectacular aroid species which do grow theirselves big. I have now persecuted them into joining the World Aroid Club. (All the properly named plants you every dreamed about may be there where I'm now plotting....). What do Members think about having a World Aroid Club? Spathcobra

From: "George R Stilwell, Jr." grsjr at juno.com> on 2001.07.16 at 19:41:49(7044) Ron., >What do Members think about having a World Aroid Club? What for? Aren't IAS and AEG already fulfilling this function? Ray +More GRSJr@Juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

From: Peter Wunderlin pmdes at iafrica.com> on 2001.07.16 at 19:43:30(7046) World Aroid club yes, sounds good Would there be some sort of a way to buy interesting aroids. I live in South Africa and beside the normal phildendrons and the more ordinary plants like Zantedeschia there is not much available here. Give me moredetails of how this club would be structured and what it could offer. Regards Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: World Aroid Club? > What's the next carousel? > > Anything funny happened on the way to the Show? > > Tell you what! > > On the 16th July, one Member in France is still waiting for his Newsletter. > Any auction bids on that? > > Don't despair! I hope to have News 23(2) ready for Jill our Graphics > Editor to apply graffiti on 24th or 25th of.....July. So maybe our Inuit > Members will get their 23(2) direct before 23(1)? You just gotta laugh else > you'd surely crock. The Web Site "Show" Page is waiting final details > before posting. > > The magnificent "Living Rain Forest" in UK is interested in buying, & > exchanging spectacular aroid species which do grow theirselves big. I > have now persecuted them into joining the World Aroid Club. (All the > properly named plants you every dreamed about may be there where I'm now > plotting....). > > What do Members think about having a World Aroid Club? > > Spathcobra >

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2001.07.17 at 02:15:56(7048) I think we shoud concentrate on the International Aroid Society. What possible purpose could a "World Aroid Club" have that the Internationa Aroid Society has now. If there is something laking in the IAS let's work towards the IAS providing whatever it is that you are talking about. I vote no on any additional, peripheral, redundant societies. Neil +More -----Original Message----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Date: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: World Aroid Club? >What's the next carousel? > >Anything funny happened on the way to the Show? > >Tell you what! > >On the 16th July, one Member in France is still waiting for his Newsletter. >Any auction bids on that? > >Don't despair! I hope to have News 23(2) ready for Jill our Graphics >Editor to apply graffiti on 24th or 25th of.....July. So maybe our Inuit >Members will get their 23(2) direct before 23(1)? You just gotta laugh else >you'd surely crock. The Web Site "Show" Page is waiting final details >before posting. > >The magnificent "Living Rain Forest" in UK is interested in buying, & >exchanging spectacular aroid species which do grow theirselves big. I >have now persecuted them into joining the World Aroid Club. (All the >properly named plants you every dreamed about may be there where I'm now >plotting....). > >What do Members think about having a World Aroid Club? > >Spathcobra >

From: Lewandjim at aol.com on 2001.07.17 at 13:21:48(7053) I concur fully with Neil in his folowing posting to Aroid-L. Jim Langhammer +More In a message dated 7/16/2001 10:16:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zzamia@hargray.com writes: << I think we shoud concentrate on the International Aroid Society. What possible purpose could a "World Aroid Club" have that the Internationa Aroid Society does not have now. If there is something lacking in the IAS let's work towards the IAS providing whatever it is that you are talking about. I vote no on any additional, peripheral, redundant societies. Neil >>

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2001.07.17 at 13:23:47(7055) I agree w/ Neil---stick to what we do, and lets do it better. Julius +More >>I think we shoud concentrate on the International Aroid Society. What possible purpose could a "World Aroid Club" have that the Internationa Aroid Society has now. If there is something laking in the IAS let's work towards the IAS providing whatever it is that you are talking about. I vote no on any additional, peripheral, redundant societies. Neil<< -----Original Message----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Date: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: World Aroid Club? >What's the next carousel? > >Anything funny happened on the way to the Show? > >Tell you what! > >On the 16th July, one Member in France is still waiting for his Newsletter. >Any auction bids on that? > >Don't despair! I hope to have News 23(2) ready for Jill our Graphics >Editor to apply graffiti on 24th or 25th of.....July. So maybe our Inuit >Members will get their 23(2) direct before 23(1)? You just gotta laugh else >you'd surely crock. The Web Site "Show" Page is waiting final details >before posting. > >The magnificent "Living Rain Forest" in UK is interested in buying, & >exchanging spectacular aroid species which do grow theirselves big. I >have now persecuted them into joining the World Aroid Club. (All the >properly named plants you every dreamed about may be there where I'm now >plotting....). > >What do Members think about having a World Aroid Club? > >Spathcobra >

From: Jonathan Ertelt jonathan.ertelt at vanderbilt.edu> on 2001.07.17 at 15:26:42(7057) I also agree with Neil here - if the IAS is not doing something that you'd like to see done (you referring to any member) then bring it up and see if the consensus is to add it to the many things that IAS already does. Essentially IAS _IS_ the "World Aroid Club," only with a little bit different name. I think that the idea of exchanging plants, for example, is a great one. But I have found that this give and take is already present, to a large extent thanks to this list. If we want to make it a bit more formal and have a place for posting plant species/cvs. that you're interested in, that could certainly be done as far as I'm concerned, perhaps within the context of the newsletter. It doesn't take forming another group to do this. Let's stick with the strong society we already have, and simply make it stronger. Jonathan +More > >In a message dated 7/16/2001 10:16:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >zzamia@hargray.com writes: > ><< I think we shoud concentrate on the International Aroid Society. What > possible purpose could a "World Aroid Club" have that the Internationa Aroid > Society does not have now. If there is something lacking in the IAS let's >work towards > the IAS providing whatever it is that you are talking about. I vote no on > any additional, peripheral, redundant societies. > > Neil >> Jonathan Ertelt jonathan.ertelt@vanderbilt.edu Greenhouse Manager Vanderbilt University Biology Department Box 1812, Sta. B Nashville, TN 37235 (615) 322-4054

From: "James W. Waddick" jwaddick at kc.rr.com> on 2001.07.18 at 01:37:38(7063) Dear all; I don't think we have any reasons or need for another IAS/ World Aroid Club, but surely IAS can do better. Any organization can. It takes new ideas (like a forum for trading plants and seeds perhaps) and people willing to volunteer to organize and run such a thing. IAS runs on volunteer power. What can IAS do better and what does IAS have the man/woman power to do? +More If Jonathan wants an "aroid exchange group", I'll nominate him. Do we need a Spathiphyllum Specialty Group? I'm sure Ron will organize that. Things change. This email group while active, I suspect does not reflect the numerous members who are not on-line or active growers. Throw out some ides, and be willing to help organize a better IAS. Just don't be redundant or re-invent the wheel. But not me, I'm "busy". Semi in jest Jim W. Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.07.18 at 02:11:20(7065) Letter from the News Editor Please don't send ANY more private emails to me about my CATALYTIC QUESTION "What do MEMBERS think about having a World Aroid CLUB"? +More If you got anything to say, please say it on Aroid-L the only place Members CAN write OPEN & PUBLICALLY. Several Members have bravely done so & given fine unequivocal criticism but the provokation apparently caused so much consternation behind closed doors that I got VERY distressing private emails. I will accept no more & if you do send your NEGATIVITIES I will answer them POSITIVELY in PUBLIC but leave YOU with your DIGNITY. So say it in Public! A World Aroid Club is in my suggested model. an Association of "TOGETHER" IAS MEMBERS all over the World who know all the plants each of them have & need, the most important being those who are key SPECIALISTS in GENERA. An IAS Members World Living Aroid database. There are countless "only one" plants in Collections out there about which we know nothing & which maybe ought to be in tissue culture. I am the unpaid IAS "News" Editor Not for much longer maybe, tough! I TRY to be POSITIVE & GENEROUS! I TRY to be FUN & APPRECIATIVE! Everything is IMPORTANT Nothing is THAT serious. I am LOYAL to the friends I commit to. I have unimpeachable INTEGRITY I am to be TRUSTED & to TRUST I am VERY SENSITIVE but have no insecure or fragile PSYCHE I am not ambitious & have no delicate EGO to defend I TRY to treat others with civility, respect & DIGNITY & expect reciprocation. I work, like everybody else, but in ten weeks have wrecked myself for IAS while some spectated positively & negatively. I hope SOME of you appreciate my efforts to make IAS better. You may not immediately like the way I write but persevere, often the literature is worth reading, & if you read BETWEEN the words, you may get the real message. It takes care, & EVERYBODY who writes publically deserves that respect & dignity. They may NOT be saying what at first sight you THINK they are. They are all GOOD people if YOU let them be. If you have something to say for good or bad to help the IAS then do it publically don't just be paranoid, resentful or grouse about it in private. Members DIALOGUE surely ought to be EXAMPLES of refined literature. Thank you for your kindnesses but I have now had ENOUGH of the few people who aren't necessarily IAS Members who write NEGATIVELY to me in Private. Write your NEGATIVITIES on Aroid L so WE can help you become POSITIVE. This is a WORLD Society. It can no longer be parochial American with its "offshore" Members. It needs the help & vision of EVERY WORLD MEMBER to bring it to its GREATEST POTENTIAL. In case you have yet to realise I insist on doing the best job I can And anticipate other members will do the same Now adapting the Question. Would like some IAS Member to assemble an ongoing Web Site Member Database of Living World Aroid Assemblages? Do we have a queue? And, those spectators on Aroid L who aren't yet Members, please JOIN. It isn't much. Put your money where your mouth sounds. And if I am censured for this, tough, sack me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Iles To: aroid-l@mobot.org Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: World Aroid Club? What's the next carousel?Anything funny happened on the way to the Show?Tell you what!On the 16th July, one Member in France is still waiting for his Newsletter.Any auction bids on that?Don't despair! I hope to have News 23(2) ready for Jill our GraphicsEditor to apply graffiti on 24th or 25th of.....July. So maybe our InuitMembers will get their 23(2) direct before 23(1)? You just gotta laugh elseyou'd surely crock. The Web Site "Show" Page is waiting final detailsbefore posting.The magnificent "Living Rain Forest" in UK is interested in buying, &exchanging spectacular aroid species which do grow theirselves big. Ihave now persecuted them into joining the World Aroid Club. (All theproperly named plants you every dreamed about may be there where I'm nowplotting....).What do Members think about having a World Aroid Club?Spathcobra

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.07.18 at 03:41:50(7066) Bless You, James! POSITIVE! NEW IDEAS!!!!! I'll willingly second Jonathan. I thought I WAS the World Spathiphyllum Club? Is there another? I thought IAS was dying but its not? So, In future I will be writing to Aroid L PERSONALLY not as News Editor. So how many volunteers are in the queue, do I see people in our WORLD IAS running TOWARDS us? Huge thanks for the innovations! Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- From: James W. Waddick To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:38 AM Subject: Re: World Aroid Club? Dear all;I don't think we have any reasons or need for another IAS/ World Aroid Club, but surely IAS can do better. Any organization can. It takes new ideas (like a forum for trading plants and seeds perhaps) and people willing to volunteer to organize and run such a thing. IAS runs on volunteer power.What can IAS do better and what does IAS have the man/woman power to do?If Jonathan wants an "aroid exchange group", I'll nominate him.Do we need a Spathiphyllum Specialty Group? I'm sure Ron will organize that.Things change. This email group while active, I suspect does not reflect the numerous members who are not on-line or active growers. Throw out some ides, and be willing to help organize a better IAS. Just don't be redundant or re-invent the wheel.But not me, I'm "busy".Semi in jest Jim W.Dr. James W. Waddick8871 NW Brostrom Rd.Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711USAPh. 816-746-1949E-fax 419-781-8594Zone 5 Record low -23FSummer 100F +

From: Jonathan Ertelt jonathan.ertelt at vanderbilt.edu> on 2001.07.18 at 16:45:06(7068) > Bless You, James! POSITIVE! NEW IDEAS!!!!! I'll willingly second >Jonathan. I thought I WAS the World Spathiphyllum Club? Is there >another? I thought IAS was dying but its not? So, In future I will >be writing to Aroid L PERSONALLY not as News Editor. So how many >volunteers are in the queue, do I see people in our WORLD IAS running >TOWARDS us? Huge thanks for the innovations! Ron > +More > ----- Original Message ----- From: James W. Waddick To: >Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:38 >AM Subject: Re: World Aroid Club? >Dear all; >I don't think we have any reasons or need for another IAS/ >World Aroid Club, but surely IAS can do better. Any organization can. >It takes new ideas (like a forum for trading plants and seeds >perhaps) and people willing to volunteer to organize and run such a >thing. IAS runs on volunteer power. > >What can IAS do better and what does IAS have the man/woman >power to do? > >If Jonathan wants an "aroid exchange group", I'll nominate him. > Ron, James, et al., One thing that is frustrating to me about the 'new' list-serve configuration is that I never see my own posts - and of course, having already tossed mt outbox copy, I can no longer be sure of my phrasing. At any rate, I may well be contributing an article or two before long (hold over from Neil's influence while editor) but regarding being nominated to "head-up" an aroid exchange group - I made mention of this idea because it seems like it has been brought up recently as one of the ways IAS could be improved. However, if I remember correctly, I also mentioned that I'm very pleased with the give and take that results from people offering extras when they can, and that continuing that offering/exchange through private correspondence. At the same time, I have on a couple of occasions indicated interest in obtaining plants after they were discussed on this list, and have not received any responses, for whatever reason. If "a forum for trading" were to be officially set up, it seems like the most logical place to set it up would be through the newsletter, where input of this sort could be easily stored and then put into order before the next posting, kind of like a class notes section of an alumni magazine. Informally, I think that one is already in place through this listserve, though as I say I've had mixed results. Kind of like everything else. With the amount of "forum" responses flying in, perhaps it wouldn't be such a hit after all, or maybe other people also see that as an aspect of what this listserve is all about, or certainly has the potential to provide the means for on an undercurrent-type level. Good growing, and good searching! Jonathan Jonathan Ertelt jonathan.ertelt@vanderbilt.edu Greenhouse Manager Vanderbilt University Biology Department Box 1812, Sta. B Nashville, TN 37235 (615) 322-4054

From: Durightmm at aol.com on 2001.07.19 at 01:50:08(7072) Let me add my two cents It seems that more discussion is not only eminent but needed. Discussions on aroidl, for me, often fall short of all I need to know about a particular plant because of various distractions and directions of writers. For example I would like to see sources listed from time to tiem and I am unsure exactly how that can be arranged. If it can be achieved by Jill, Ron etc through the IAS website , great, but if not and another vehicle is needed so be it. Frank and open discussions are productive and solve problems. What is your opinion? Joe

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