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Names and Philo Santa Leopoldina
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From: "brian williams" pugturd50 at hotmail.com> on 2001.07.11 at 14:54:21(7015)
OK well I know this plants or should I say plants have been one of the most
messed up name problem I have ever seen. Now is their any botanical names
for them? I know their are about 3 to 5 plants being sold under Santa
Leopoldina. But every time I have bought one its all been the same plant.
Which is a smaller leaf form that is red underside and a green to light blue
leaf. I have seen Tricia franks plant with the beautiful long narrow leafs.
Also in California I visited Dicks and Ralph's they had two-forms the common
one and the one that is Pictured in the book Tropica. Now has anyone ever
cleared up this mess? How in the world did it get so bad did everyone start
naming long leafed philos Santa Leopoldina. I don't think burle marx would
name 5 plants all the same name I don't think he would? Finally if their is
an answer to the names I would love to hear it. Thanks
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From: Denis denis at skg.com> on 2001.07.12 at 15:35:10(7023)
Brian:
Dr. Monroe Birdsey could never understand the fuss over this plant and
insisted that he had the same plant as the Santa leopoldina growing on
the trees in his back yard. However, I suspect it was the common form
that you are describing that he had in his trees.
However, there is a piece of the Philo. Santa Leopoldina from the Betty
Waterbury collection coming up on the online Auction. This is the same
one that Tricia Frank has in her collection. It did not go cheap last
year. So if you want this piece be prepared to spend big bucks.
Denis at Silver Krome Gardens
Homestead Florida
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brian williams wrote:
>
> OK well I know this plants or should I say plants have been one of the most
> messed up name problem I have ever seen. Now is their any botanical names
> for them? I know their are about 3 to 5 plants being sold under Santa
> Leopoldina. But every time I have bought one its all been the same plant.
> Which is a smaller leaf form that is red underside and a green to light blue
> leaf. I have seen Tricia franks plant with the beautiful long narrow leafs.
> Also in California I visited Dicks and Ralph's they had two-forms the common
> one and the one that is Pictured in the book Tropica. Now has anyone ever
> cleared up this mess? How in the world did it get so bad did everyone start
> naming long leafed philos Santa Leopoldina. I don't think burle marx would
> name 5 plants all the same name I don't think he would? Finally if their is
> an answer to the names I would love to hear it. Thanks
> _________________________________________________________________
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From: "Cooper, Susan L." SLCooper at scj.com> on 2001.07.12 at 18:06:47(7024)
What online auction, Denis?
Susan
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However, there is a piece of the Philo. Santa Leopoldina from the Betty
Waterbury collection coming up on the online Auction. This is the same
one that Tricia Frank has in her collection. It did not go cheap last
year. So if you want this piece be prepared to spend big bucks.
Denis at Silver Krome Gardens
Homestead Florida
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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2001.07.13 at 03:15:15(7031)
Dear guys,
In fact there must be at least three forms called Philodendron ?Santa
Leopoldina`. The first one is formally known as Philodendron spiritus-sancti
G.S.Bunting, that has strap leaves, usually reddish below. There will be an
article on the next Aroideana (soon!) concerning the finding of this species
in the wild, with pictures, ink drawings and an extended description. The
other two are undescribed species, one of them with very robust habit and a
sterile appendix at the apex of the spadix. Why there are so many 'forms??
Because Santa Leopoldina is a place in Eastern Brazil from where this
species were found. Which is the true Philo `Santa Leopoldina`? None of
them! The name is not formally recognized. Even Roberto Burle-Marx (that
probably started using this name) used to call all forms `Santa Leopoldina`,
as I could see in his collection.
Can you see that? Taxonomy is important to avoid you to pay US$300,00
for a seedling of Philodendron atabapoense, that has somewhat elongated
leaves that are reddish below (but is a weed in some places of Northern
South America) just because someone called it P. `Santa Leopoldina`!
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
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>From: Denis
>Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org
>To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L
>Subject: Re: Names and Philo Santa Leopoldina
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:35:08 -0500 (CDT)
>
>Brian:
>
>Dr. Monroe Birdsey could never understand the fuss over this plant and
>insisted that he had the same plant as the Santa leopoldina growing on
>the trees in his back yard. However, I suspect it was the common form
>that you are describing that he had in his trees.
>
>However, there is a piece of the Philo. Santa Leopoldina from the Betty
>Waterbury collection coming up on the online Auction. This is the same
>one that Tricia Frank has in her collection. It did not go cheap last
>year. So if you want this piece be prepared to spend big bucks.
>
>Denis at Silver Krome Gardens
>Homestead Florida
>
>brian williams wrote:
> >
> > OK well I know this plants or should I say plants have been one of the
>most
> > messed up name problem I have ever seen. Now is their any botanical
>names
> > for them? I know their are about 3 to 5 plants being sold under Santa
> > Leopoldina. But every time I have bought one its all been the same
>plant.
> > Which is a smaller leaf form that is red underside and a green to light
>blue
> > leaf. I have seen Tricia franks plant with the beautiful long narrow
>leafs.
> > Also in California I visited Dicks and Ralph's they had two-forms the
>common
> > one and the one that is Pictured in the book Tropica. Now has anyone
>ever
> > cleared up this mess? How in the world did it get so bad did everyone
>start
> > naming long leafed philos Santa Leopoldina. I don't think burle marx
>would
> > name 5 plants all the same name I don't think he would? Finally if their
>is
> > an answer to the names I would love to hear it. Thanks
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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From: Denis denis at skg.com> on 2001.07.13 at 21:53:46(7035)
Dear Aroiders:
Auction info up soon. Please be patient. A lot of the plants for the
Plant auction at the Annual Banquet meeting in September will be offered
at an online auction first. Of course if you are the highest bidder on
line your bid may get beaten out at the live Auction.
Denis
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Cooper, Susan L. wrote:
>
> What online auction, Denis?
> Susan
>
> However, there is a piece of the Philo. Santa Leopoldina from the Betty
> Waterbury collection coming up on the online Auction. This is the same
> one that Tricia Frank has in her collection. It did not go cheap last
> year. So if you want this piece be prepared to spend big bucks.
>
> Denis at Silver Krome Gardens
> Homestead Florida
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