World Spathiphyllum and Big Bang

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.04.28 at 03:40:40(6290) Collecting Spathiphyllum in the 21st Century isn't easy. Maybe I'll grow just the ordinary kinds that everybody else seems to grow, just the few unless. I know little about Amorphophallus but obviously agree that both quantity and quality are important and so I began to wonder about what we call things and Big Bang. So, this is a little Stapelian breather between AMP snortings. +More Naming and ordering natural living things is called Taxonomy. It gives "surnames" and individual names in an evolution based system dreamed up by Linnaeus when Naturalists were. Taxonomists dry newly discovered "wild" plants and keep them like mummies in herbaria with their own and the mummies names on them as memories of them for when the real plants are extinct. Plant taxonomy is based mostly on what the plants look like. In their obituaries, some taxonomists write details of where the plants were found and include photos which makes it more interesting for newspaper readers. Anyway its kinder to a dying beast to show not only what it looked like but as much as possible of how and why and where it was. Taxonomists often change the names, If they are old, the names I mean, the changes can be confusing to people who actually grow the living things and know differently a bit of what they, the things with the names I mean, look like. With all the possible hybrids even between different genera what "species" means has become more and more difficult to decide. How can one ever really "name" a hybrid, a "variety" or a "cultivar"? And now even worse, there's "genetic engineering". Man is making his own "species". Now, you can even make a monkey which has jelly fish in it. (It would be silly to do the oppsite). What kind of "species" or family thing is that? So now, in a very few years, after selective breeding and tissue culture, we'll have "super species" dominating the Earth. Our super mothers and super fathers may be say part bird, part fish, part Peace Lily? How will we really know what "species" "he" and "she" really were? Linnaeus has been noisy on Death row for a long time. Is he nearing Execution time? He is? Hurray! INDIVIDUALS can now be identified by their DNA not just their appearance. They can be given NUMBERS to tell all about their real Nature, not only their ancestry but their potential. Every individual animal or plant can have a different number. An infinite living rainbow of noughts and ones. No silly genera, no frustrating species any more. No need for the ping pong of taxonomy. DNAs analysed properly in a blink by Computer and number coded. Linnaeus gone gone dead dead. Once we've got the number we can each call it what we like, hundred of different things with the same number. God Numbers back towards Big Bang telling from where each and every one of us really came and proclaiming our inferiority or superiority and pre-determining our destiny, ashcan or space rocket. With wilder than Fantasy Names. Wild but independent of crude uncertain nasty Nature. Diversity totally limited and controlled by MAN. Everything, everyone, with bar code tags to go though a million Life Bank checkouts. Blanket man made diversity everywhere. Wonderful! Far more spectacular and better for wise Man. In this New Eugenic Order (NEO), taxonomists won't need to work in the "field" any more. The boring old wild stuff will be in museums, herbaria mostly safely dead, dried, stuffed or re-modelled. Genetic engineering, zillion cloning and DNA tagging has signed Linnaeus's Death Warrant. Botany can now just help Horticulture to man-make gene pools so much better than wild. The taxonomists, collectors, conservationists and Nature Photographers and Film Makers all did their best to record the uncontrolled disorderly mess that went before but.... So, welcome to the NEW diversities never dreamed of or allowed by Nature.....When one sees what Man can do so rapidly to "natural species" by HIS selection it is obvious that his wisdom will be the greatest thing since smoked chalk. It will be brilliant wall to wall monoculture for the new superfolk. Man's final tamed supremecy over Nature . Multicolored Travellers Trees, psychodelic Suwanees, twenty foot stinking Amorphophalli, and other most desirable things never imaginable to Nature will be on tap to Adult consumers everywhere. The ordinary and boring can be relegated to the obscurity where they belong. Wonderful! Tissue Culture Gardening is so much better than Botany at deciding on what kinds things people really want. In a few years I wonder what rarities you'll collect? If you want enough they can always be genetically engineered or the DNA brought back fro the dead and tissue cultured back again. Wonderful. I'm glad collecting all those wild Spathiphyllum is so difficult now, the new kinds are so much better and you can even buy them from the corner shop numbered properly so you can call them as many names as you like. Did you know there are only a measly forty one wild dull Peace Lilies but soon there may be a thousand? Nothing is certain of course and I may have it all wrong. So - just to be safe, anybudy got ANY gracious exquisitely perfumed green and white species to spare? I still need the small floribundum type with white midrib which I got from Cali, Colombia over fifteen years back. No DNA number maybe yet but it's called "Mini" in horticulture I think and apparently it hasn't been named as a species yet? Can you help with that number please? Ron Greenman

From: SelbyHort at aol.com on 2001.04.28 at 13:47:33(6295) Ron, Loved the rant. Your mention of Eugenics made my hair stand on end. I have been reading a great deal about this subject lately. Seems one of the primary movers in the American eugenics movement was a professor at the University of Vermont (the state where I now live). The Germans came to the US and to Vermont to study this "new science" of breeding better humans and a few years later a fellow named Hitler played it all out for the world to see. The NYC school of photography recently held a eugenics exhibition of images from the early part of the 20th century that documented US efforts to eliminate "undesirables and the feeble-minded" through massive state approved sterilization campaigns in this country. People have already forgotten all about this. Modern DNA recombinant research is bringing this issue all back into focus. It is horrible to consider in light of past efforts that sought to destroy our humanness for the sake of a so-called superior race. You got it right....DNA is the ultimate biometric identifier. Fortunately human rights issues and cost prevent human genetic identification from being put in place on a wide scale, at least for the present. Will humans, in the Darwinian sense, be "the one most responsive to change", and in so doing choose to adopt and develop this technology as our species survival path? Donna Atwood +More In a message dated 04/27/2001 11:41:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roniles@eircom.net writes: << Everything, everyone, with bar code tags to go though a million Life Bank checkouts. Blanket man made diversity everywhere. Wonderful! Far more spectacular and better for wise Man. In this New Eugenic Order (NEO), taxonomists won't need to work in the "field" any more. >>

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.04.30 at 02:23:42(6302) Hi Donna! Great! Thanks for the interest, care, and intelligence. Had expected a lead balloon from Aroid L. Here in a cow-bog-pub land I suffer from peer starvation and need to have conversations with myself to confirm that everything still works. Spathiphyllum care and worship are part of my fight to remain sane in temporary isolation. Got any nice kinds which ought to be here as well as there and of course vice versa, please?! Ireland is the self-chosen Devil's Island to which I escaped to continue more and more as a freelance Nature's Free Spirit. I have a wonderful and large residential Studio exclusive to one of West Cork's loveliest waterfronts. I see no point in work unless moving molecules is meaningful. It is better to work hard at play child-like in order to find meaning with feeling. I now help people to become whole by discovering their real selves with the wonderful Voices which represent what they are at best. (Psycho-somatic Programming through Voice). I was a Naturalist re-disciplined as a Zoologist and wondered disbelievingly in various major power groups where I was regulated, censored, temporarily silenced, never cornered nor head subserviently bowed or bloodied. I never conformed or compromised on principles which I considered profoundly detrimental to posterity. Not being conveniently feeble minded, but undesirable as a cog in a stupid power control machine, I confess to being a joyful failure, in fact causing the whole aforesaid machine sometimes to fail to meaningful benefit. The sagas are more amazing than much fiction but that's all together or nothing follow my leader groupism. This is the latest part of a life of re-finding the transparency and unbridled wonder of my early childhood before defensive mind interfered too much on sentry duty. I am glad to say that I have yet to succeed in being a complete success in my own heart at anything but striving is wonderful, joyful and momentarily even Bliss. I do not know what role the frightening experience I have of how Big Brother puppets will play in my re-directing evolution a little to where it would have otherwise taken the glory for Man the Wise. I feel Eugenics is imminently already succeeding where Hitler with his overt crudity failed. The flood gates are open because of mob conformity, extremely accurate subliminal indoctrination and promotion of powerless uniformed protest worry groups who can be placated and easily fooled. The irreversible stages I believe are already here. De-tribalised material human beings are most responsive to change to all human technology which benefits (or appears to benefit) mob nuclei. Thge most puppeted are Presidents and other self seeking posterity oblivious thickies. I have a Classical Recording Studio. Digital Recording is PERFECT? Huh! Edison early 20th C squirms. And so it is for all socially seductive, impressive dictatorial technology. Spathiphyllum are to me the most beautifully simple and elegant of all plants and are an element in creative inspiration. I am only interested in how and why they are. Names, what they are only necessary for consensus reference between human minds not hearts. Here endeth the unsolicited mumble in appreciation of your kind response to my naivety. Cheers from the Heart Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: World Spathiphyllum and Big Bang | Ron, | | Loved the rant. Your mention of Eugenics made my hair stand on end. I have | been reading a great deal about this subject lately. Seems one of the primary | movers in the American eugenics movement was a professor at the University of | Vermont (the state where I now live). The Germans came to the US and to | Vermont to study this "new science" of breeding better humans and a few years | later a fellow named Hitler played it all out for the world to see. | | The NYC school of photography recently held a eugenics exhibition of images | from the early part of the 20th century that documented US efforts to | eliminate "undesirables and the feeble-minded" through massive state approved | sterilization campaigns in this country. People have already forgotten all | about this. Modern DNA recombinant research is bringing this issue all back | into focus. It is horrible to consider in light of past efforts that sought | to destroy our humanness for the sake of a so-called superior race. | | You got it right....DNA is the ultimate biometric identifier. Fortunately | human rights issues and cost prevent human genetic identification from being | put in place on a wide scale, at least for the present. Will humans, in the | Darwinian sense, be "the one most responsive to change", and in so doing | choose to adopt and develop this technology as our species survival path? | | Donna Atwood | | In a message dated 04/27/2001 11:41:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, | roniles@eircom.net writes: | | << Everything, everyone, with bar code tags to go though a million Life Bank | checkouts. Blanket man made diversity everywhere. Wonderful! Far more | spectacular and better for wise Man. In this New Eugenic | Order (NEO), taxonomists won't need to work in the "field" | any more. >> |

From: Durightmm at aol.com on 2001.04.30 at 02:23:55(6303) If that is not bad enough ex Senator Lamm of Colorado advocated withholding all support for cirtizens over 74 years , but then generously raised it to 80. He felt they should do the right thing and just die. They would have served their usefulness. Joe

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.04.30 at 02:24:24(6305) Sorry this should have only gone to Donna at Selby email address but it winged its way to Aroid L. So I now write a less tired and hopefully more +More readable courtesy version of the previous. Aroid L friends please ignore the mumbling dementia I shouldn't write so much and so quickly. Any Spathiphyllum ANYBODY? If its not here can we share it? Please? All the Best from Ron ----- AMENDED Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re: World Spathiphyllum and Big Bang | Hi Donna! | | Great! Thanks for the interest, care, and intelligence. Had expected a lead | balloon from Aroid L. Here in a cow-bog-pub land I suffer from peer starvation and need to have conversations with myself to confirm that everything still works. Spathiphyllum care and worship are part of my | fight to remain sane in temporary isolation. Got any nice kinds which ought | to be here as well as there and of course vice versa, please?! | | Ireland is the self-chosen Devil's Island to which I escaped to continue | more and more as a freelance Nature's Free Spirit. I have a wonderful and | large residential Studio exclusive to one of West Cork's loveliest | waterfronts. I see no point in work unless moving molecules is meaningful. | It seems better to work hard at child-like play in order to find new meaning in the | feeling. I now help people to become more whole by re-discovering their real selves through the wonderful Voices which represent what they are at best. (Psycho-somatic Programming through Voice). I was a Naturalist re-disciplined as a Zoologist and wondered disbelievingly in various major power groups where I was regulated, censored, temporarily silenced, but never cornered nor head subserviently bowed or bloodied. I never conformed or compromised on principles which I considered profoundly detrimental to posterity. Not being conveniently feeble minded, but rather undesirable as a cog in a stupid power control machine, I confess to being a joyful failure. In fact sometimes causing the whole aforesaid machines to reveal openly they were not truthful or meaningful. The sagas are more amazing than much fiction but that's all together or nothing, follow my leader groupism. This is the latest part of a life of re-finding the transparency and unbridled wonder of my early childhood before defensive mind on sentry duty interfered too much I have yet to be a complete success in my own heart at anything, but the striving is wonderful, joyful and momentarily even Bliss. I do not know what role my experiences of Big Brother will eventually play in helping Nature along a little. for Man the Wise. | I feel Eugenics is imminently already succeeding where Hitler with his overt crudity failed. The flood gates are open because of mob conformity, extremely accurate subliminal indoctrination and promotion of powerless uniformed protest worry groups who can be placated and easily fooled. The irreversible stages I believe are already here. De-tribalised material human beings are most responsive to the new changes in human technology which benefits (or appears to benefit) their myopia. The most puppeted seem to be Presidents and other self seeking posterity oblivious thickies. | I have a Classical Recording Studio. Digital Recording is PERFECT? Huh! Edison early 20th C squirms. And so it is for all socially seductive, impressive dictatorial technology. | Spathiphyllum are to me the most beautifully simple and elegant of all plants and are an element in creative inspiration. I am only interested in how and why they are. Names, what they are, only necessary for consensus reference between human minds not hearts. | Here endeth the unsolicited mumble in appreciation of your kind response to my naivety. | Cheers from the Heart | Ron | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: | To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" | Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 2:47 PM | Subject: Re: World Spathiphyllum and Big Bang | | | | Ron, | | | | Loved the rant. Your mention of Eugenics made my hair stand on end. I have | | been reading a great deal about this subject lately. Seems one of the | primary | | movers in the American eugenics movement was a professor at the University | of | | Vermont (the state where I now live). The Germans came to the US and to | | Vermont to study this "new science" of breeding better humans and a few | years | | later a fellow named Hitler played it all out for the world to see. | | | | The NYC school of photography recently held a eugenics exhibition of | images | | from the early part of the 20th century that documented US efforts to | | eliminate "undesirables and the feeble-minded" through massive state | approved | | sterilization campaigns in this country. People have already forgotten all | | about this. Modern DNA recombinant research is bringing this issue all | back | | into focus. It is horrible to consider in light of past efforts that | sought | | to destroy our humanness for the sake of a so-called superior race. | | | | You got it right....DNA is the ultimate biometric identifier. Fortunately | | human rights issues and cost prevent human genetic identification from | being | | put in place on a wide scale, at least for the present. Will humans, in | the | | Darwinian sense, be "the one most responsive to change", and in so doing | | choose to adopt and develop this technology as our species survival path? | | | | Donna Atwood | | | | In a message dated 04/27/2001 11:41:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, | | roniles@eircom.net writes: | | | | << Everything, everyone, with bar code tags to go though a million Life | Bank | | checkouts. Blanket man made diversity everywhere. Wonderful! Far more | | spectacular and better for wise Man. In this New Eugenic | | Order (NEO), taxonomists won't need to work in the "field" | | any more. >> | | |

From: Rand Nicholson writserv at nbnet.nb.ca> on 2001.04.30 at 14:36:33(6319) >If that is not bad enough ex Senator Lamm of Colorado advocated withholding >all support for cirtizens over 74 years , but then generously raised it to >80. He felt they should do the right thing and just die. They would have >served their usefulness. Joe I should like to attend ex-Senator Lamm's 80th birthday party. Kind Regards, Rand Nicholson

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.04.30 at 18:48:02(6329) Hi again Rand! You shock me! Surely you wouldn't go to his party with a compressed cylinder of stinky fragrance or a hypodermic of Dumb Cane Sap? Please be cautious. Don't be hasty. Behind the exigent political shop window he may befacade fellah and collect Spaths as symbols of his dedication to Peace and Bliss. We wouldn't want to lose those would we? Would a quick cheek scrape for DNA reveal if he had reverence for all Life like us or if he was an early GMO? The message coming back is that the only Spaths Americans now have their wives bought from the local supermarket? It's all very ominous. . Gosh this is FUN! Ron +More Yours earnestly Ronaldo of Leprechaunville ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: Re: World Spathiphyllum and Big Bang | >If that is not bad enough ex Senator Lamm of Colorado advocated withholding | >all support for cirtizens over 74 years , but then generously raised it to | >80. He felt they should do the right thing and just die. They would have | >served their usefulness. Joe | | I should like to attend ex-Senator Lamm's 80th birthday party. | | Kind Regards, | | Rand Nicholson |

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