Amorphophallus query

From: Paul Tyerman tyerman at dynamite.com.au> on 2000.12.16 at 15:39:50(5781) Howdy All, A quick query for those knowledgeable types out there...... I purchased a few different Amorphophallus last year. Two of these were A. abyssinicus (as far as we know) and had an interesting three-part leaf, which as far as I know is standard for Amorphs. I also puchased a couple of other Amorphs.... one A. konjac and another unknown species (not yet ID'd). Both of the latter do not have the same three part leaves, but bear an uncanny resemblance to plants that I have got from a couple of different sources as Sauromatum guttatum/venosum. Do Amorphophallus konjac and Sauromatum guttatum/venosum bear any resemblance? The leaves are more like the shape of Arisaema leaves, with lobes radiating out from a central lobe (sort of mirrored on either side), rather than the triple branched leaf of the Amorph abyssinicus. I can take pics of these plants and email them to people if any are interested. I think there's been a mistake and I have somehow got more Sauromatum, but I am not knowledgeable enough to be certain. Can anyone help? I realise my descriptions are not the best above, but I hope they are clear enough to put across the point I am trying to make. Thanks in anticipation.... Cheers. Paul Tyerman +More Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8 mailto:tyerman@dynamite.com.au

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.12.16 at 23:20:02(5782) Paul, If the Sauromatoid "amorphs" indeed have a leaf as you describe, they cannot be amorphs. As a general rule, each branch of an amorph-leaf carries 2 or more individual leaflets, and they are found to be attached at both lateral sides of each branch. In Sauromatum (does that genus still exist???) and Arisaema you'll find that all leaflets point to one side and are attached to one side. This is more difficult to see on a more radiate (wheel-like) leaf, but again, you'll not find any subdivisions of the leaf-branches (if you can detect them...) there either, as you will in most amorphs. Better thgan try to unravel all that mumbo-jumbo I just wrote is to send me an email with a few scans to: hetter@worldonline.nl). Cheerio, Wilbert +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: zaterdag 16 december 2000 16:39 Subject: Amorphophallus query > > Howdy All, > > A quick query for those knowledgeable types out there...... > > I purchased a few different Amorphophallus last year. Two of these were A. > abyssinicus (as far as we know) and had an interesting three-part leaf, > which as far as I know is standard for Amorphs. > > I also puchased a couple of other Amorphs.... one A. konjac and another > unknown species (not yet ID'd). Both of the latter do not have the same > three part leaves, but bear an uncanny resemblance to plants that I have > got from a couple of different sources as Sauromatum guttatum/venosum. Do > Amorphophallus konjac and Sauromatum guttatum/venosum bear any resemblance? > The leaves are more like the shape of Arisaema leaves, with lobes > radiating out from a central lobe (sort of mirrored on either side), rather > than the triple branched leaf of the Amorph abyssinicus. > > I can take pics of these plants and email them to people if any are > interested. I think there's been a mistake and I have somehow got more > Sauromatum, but I am not knowledgeable enough to be certain. > > Can anyone help? I realise my descriptions are not the best above, but I > hope they are clear enough to put across the point I am trying to make. > > Thanks in anticipation.... > > Cheers. > > Paul Tyerman > Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8 > mailto:tyerman@dynamite.com.au >

From: Victor Soukup soukupvg at email.uc.edu> on 2000.12.16 at 23:21:32(5783) Paul, It seems that you do indeed have more Sauromatum venosum. In my less than encyclopaedic knowledge of Amorphophallus almost all species have the large umbrella shaped, tripartite leaf with many small leaflets. A. konjac certainly has that kind of leaf. +More VicAt 09:40 AM 12/16/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >Howdy All, > >A quick query for those knowledgeable types out there...... > >I purchased a few different Amorphophallus last year. Two of these were A. >abyssinicus (as far as we know) and had an interesting three-part leaf, >which as far as I know is standard for Amorphs. > >I also puchased a couple of other Amorphs.... one A. konjac and another >unknown species (not yet ID'd). Both of the latter do not have the same >three part leaves, but bear an uncanny resemblance to plants that I have >got from a couple of different sources as Sauromatum guttatum/venosum. Do >Amorphophallus konjac and Sauromatum guttatum/venosum bear any resemblance? > The leaves are more like the shape of Arisaema leaves, with lobes >radiating out from a central lobe (sort of mirrored on either side), rather >than the triple branched leaf of the Amorph abyssinicus. > >I can take pics of these plants and email them to people if any are >interested. I think there's been a mistake and I have somehow got more >Sauromatum, but I am not knowledgeable enough to be certain. > >Can anyone help? I realise my descriptions are not the best above, but I >hope they are clear enough to put across the point I am trying to make. > >Thanks in anticipation.... > >Cheers. > >Paul Tyerman >Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8 >mailto:tyerman@dynamite.com.au Victor G. Soukup Herbarium Department of Biological Sciences University of Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH 45221-0006

From: "newton" newton at coiinc.com> on 2000.12.16 at 23:21:45(5784) Paul: The two plants are as different as night an day. Venosum leaf forms a horseshoe-like shape, symmetrical of the petiole while the konjac has the three pats radiating from the central petiole. The konjac leaf might be a darker green than is typically seen with venosum, with the leaf petiole being cream to pink with dark spots vs. light green with darker green spots on venosum. There are good pictures available on the Aroid site is you look around at the member's photo sites. Tim +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Subject: Amorphophallus query Howdy All, A quick query for those knowledgeable types out there...... I purchased a few different Amorphophallus last year. Two of these were A. abyssinicus (as far as we know) and had an interesting three-part leaf, which as far as I know is standard for Amorphs. I also puchased a couple of other Amorphs.... one A. konjac and another unknown species (not yet ID'd). Both of the latter do not have the same three part leaves, but bear an uncanny resemblance to plants that I have got from a couple of different sources as Sauromatum guttatum/venosum. Do Amorphophallus konjac and Sauromatum guttatum/venosum bear any resemblance? The leaves are more like the shape of Arisaema leaves, with lobes radiating out from a central lobe (sort of mirrored on either side), rather than the triple branched leaf of the Amorph abyssinicus. I can take pics of these plants and email them to people if any are interested. I think there's been a mistake and I have somehow got more Sauromatum, but I am not knowledgeable enough to be certain. Can anyone help? I realise my descriptions are not the best above, but I hope they are clear enough to put across the point I am trying to make. Thanks in anticipation.... Cheers. Paul Tyerman Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8 mailto:tyerman@dynamite.com.au

From: Paul Tyerman tyerman at dynamite.com.au> on 2000.12.16 at 23:28:09(5785) Howdy Again All, I am now almost certain that they aren't Amorphophallus. I went back through emails and found Marc Baracks Amorphophallus site and every Amorph seems to have that 3 part leaf structure. So my query is now whether that three part structure is in smaller immature plants or not? The A. konjac bulb was only around an inch or so wide, so it is only small from what I've heard about them....... would it already have the three part structure? Thanks for any information. Cheers. Paul Tyerman +More Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8 mailto:tyerman@dynamite.com.au

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