"accidental epiphyte"

From: Don Burns donburns at macconnect.com> on 2000.06.17 at 01:07:02(4809) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:45:18 -0400 Subject: FW: "accidental epiphyte" To: +More CC: Mime-version: 1.0 Don, Would you please forward this on to Aroid-L? Thanks, Scott ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:06:00 -0700 To: hyndman@aroid.org Subject: "accidental epiphyte" I am finishing an invited paper for the journal BIOTROPICA on the terminology of canopy biology. I am wondering whether there is such a thing as a vine (or similarly a 2ndary hemiepiphyte) that can be an "accidental epiphyte" by sprouting sometimes in the canopy say in the soil of a branch crotch, rather than on the ground. In flooded or innundated forests this might even be common, I should think. I'm hopeful you can send this question out to the aroid community in case anyone has seen examples. This would be a new and interesting type of behavior. I'll send the same e-mail to Don Burns in case you are not around. Would love any thoughts on this. best, mark Mark W. Moffett respond to: moffett@uclink4.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley, Integrative Biology

From: "Paul Kruse" pkruse2000 at mindspring.com> on 2000.06.17 at 15:33:55(4816) I have found vanilla orchids sprouting in rotten wood on trees in the Florida everglades. Paul Kruse.

From: Jody Haynes webmaster at plantapalm.com> on 2000.06.17 at 15:37:45(4818) Mark, I have not personally witnessed any such "accidental epiphytic" aroid, but I can refer you to a photo of such a cycad: . If this can occur with the New World's largest cycad, I see no reason why this wouldn't also happen with aroids. Jody +More -- Jody Haynes Corresponding Secretary, Editor & Webmaster Palm & Cycad Societies of Florida (PACSOF) Virtual Palm & Cycad Encyclopedias Website: & Seedbank Facilitator, Webmaster & List Owner Azafady Madagascar Seedbank Website: E-mail List: > ---------- > From: "Dr. Mark W. Moffett" > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:06:00 -0700 > To: hyndman@aroid.org > Subject: "accidental epiphyte" > > I am finishing an invited paper for the journal BIOTROPICA on the > terminology of canopy biology. I am wondering whether there is such a > thing as a vine (or similarly a 2ndary hemiepiphyte) that can be an > "accidental epiphyte" by sprouting sometimes in the canopy say in the > soil of a branch crotch, rather than on the ground. In flooded or > innundated forests this might even be common, I should think. > > I'm hopeful you can send this question out to the aroid community in > case anyone has seen examples. This would be a new and interesting type > of behavior. > > I'll send the same e-mail to Don Burns in case you are not around. > Would love any thoughts on this. > > best, > > mark > > Mark W. Moffett > respond to: moffett@uclink4.berkeley.edu > University of California at Berkeley, Integrative Biology

From: Dyeingduk at aol.com on 2000.06.17 at 16:16:31(4819) I guess this fits in the category....down here in South Florida i have seen royal palms growing out of the crotches of oaks and royal poinceana trees. That count? +More Paul Marcellini

From: StellrJ at aol.com on 2000.06.19 at 02:23:40(4833) In a message dated Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:38:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jody Haynes writes: << Mark, +More I have not personally witnessed any such "accidental epiphytic" aroid, but I can refer you to a photo of such a cycad: . If this can occur with the New World's largest cycad, I see no reason why this wouldn't also happen with aroids. Jody -- I, too, would like to know if there is a term for this phenomenon. In Washington State, I have seen seedling English holly sprouted in the forks of bigleaf maples in a certain town I know, and on Cumberland Island, Georgia, I know where to find seedling saw palmettos perched high in live-oak trees. Jason Hernandez Naturalist-at-Large Jody Haynes Corresponding Secretary, Editor & Webmaster Palm & Cycad Societies of Florida (PACSOF) Virtual Palm & Cycad Encyclopedias Website: & Seedbank Facilitator, Webmaster & List Owner Azafady Madagascar Seedbank Website: E-mail List: > ---------- > From: "Dr. Mark W. Moffett" > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:06:00 -0700 > To: hyndman@aroid.org > Subject: "accidental epiphyte" > > I am finishing an invited paper for the journal BIOTROPICA on the > terminology of canopy biology. I am wondering whether there is such a > thing as a vine (or similarly a 2ndary hemiepiphyte) that can be an > "accidental epiphyte" by sprouting sometimes in the canopy say in the > soil of a branch crotch, rather than on the ground. In flooded or > innundated forests this might even be common, I should think. > > I'm hopeful you can send this question out to the aroid community in > case anyone has seen examples. This would be a new and interesting type > of behavior. > > I'll send the same e-mail to Don Burns in case you are not around. > Would love any thoughts on this. > > best, > > mark > > Mark W. Moffett > respond to: moffett@uclink4.berkeley.edu > University of California at Berkeley, Integrative Biology >>

From: Jonathan Ertelt jonathan.ertelt at vanderbilt.edu> on 2000.06.19 at 21:27:23(4844) >In a message dated Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:38:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jody >Haynes writes: > +More ><< Mark, >I have not personally witnessed any such "accidental epiphytic" aroid, but I >can refer you to a photo of such a cycad: >. >I, too, would like to know if there is a term for this phenomenon. In >Washington State, I have seen seedling English holly sprouted in the forks >of bigleaf maples in a certain town I know, and on Cumberland Island, >Georgia, I know where to find seedling saw palmettos perched high in >live-oak trees. > I have been intrigued with this thread for the last week, and have watched the postings carefully. As no one else has suggested this I would offer that the term I have heard for years used to describe this phenomenon is "Facultative epiphyte." The definition of this term, from my understanding, is a plant that would typically ("normally") not be seen growing as an epiphyte, but which can adopt (adapt to) an epiphytic lifestyle when there is enough moisture and nutrients available such that the plant can survive and thrive without having its roots in the ground. This is a relatively common occurence with some ginger relatives, and I believe that the Commelinaceae member Cochliostema has been described this way, although Gentry talks about the latter as a bromeliad-like tank epiphyte (A Field Guide to Woody Plants of Northwest South America), so maybe it is a facultative terrestrial. I would guess that if I were to try and differentiate between a facultative epiphyte and an accidental epiphyte, the only distinction I would suggest is that the latter might be much less commonly seen? I'm not sure. I do not know where the term facultative epiphyte originated, though I know that it has been used for many years now, certainly since the early to mid-eighties, when I was a regular visitor to Selby Gardens. So there we are. Hope this helps. Jonathan Jonathan Ertelt Greenhouse Manager Vanderbilt University Biology Department Box 1812, Sta. B Nashville, TN 37235 (615) 322-4054

From: StellrJ at aol.com on 2000.06.21 at 01:48:27(4864) In a message dated Mon, 19 Jun 2000 5:33:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jonathan Ertelt writes: I have been intrigued with this thread for the last week, and have watched +More the postings carefully. As no one else has suggested this I would offer that the term I have heard for years used to describe this phenomenon is "Facultative epiphyte." The definition of this term, from my understanding, is a plant that would typically ("normally") not be seen growing as an epiphyte, but which can adopt (adapt to) an epiphytic lifestyle when there is enough moisture and nutrients available... Yes! That is an excellent term to use. The converse would be "obligate" -- a plant which must be epiphytic, or must be terrestrial. Facultative means it is capable, dut does not have to. Sort of like some of the trailing/climbing Peperomia species I saw in Costa Rica, which sometimes formed carpets on the ground, other times clung to tree trunks, with or without a connection to the ground. Jason Hernandez Naturalist-at-Large

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