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California's "modus operandus" rules.... NOT!!!!!
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From: SNALICE at aol.com on 1997.02.08 at 22:32:45(307)
To anyone who can tell me:
I recentenly tried to get a catalogue from an eastern nersery who informed
the forum that it would no longer be sending catalogs to California. The
reason for this is the California agriculture inspection process. CA.
aparently confiscated two different shipments comming from this particular
nersery and held them until they were beyond life, even though the reasons
were bogus. In the first case, the dead plants were sent back to the
nersery, and the second case the dead plants were sent on to the customer!
My question is this: I ordered some wonderfull Caladium tubers from
Richard Mansell and I'm wondering if they will meet the same fate? I hope
this is an approiate question for this forum, but can anyone enlighten me on
this one?
Thank you
Sue
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From: Hermine Stover <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 1997.02.09 at 05:03:46(308)
At 04:32 PM 2/8/97 -0600, SNALICE@aol.com wrote:
>To anyone who can tell me:
>I recentenly tried to get a catalogue from an eastern nersery who informed
>the forum that it would no longer be sending catalogs to California. The
>reason for this is the California agriculture inspection process. CA.
>aparently confiscated two different shipments comming from this particular
>nersery and held them until they were beyond life, even though the reasons
>were bogus. In the first case, the dead plants were sent back to the
>nersery, and the second case the dead plants were sent on to the customer!
> My question is this: I ordered some wonderfull Caladium tubers from
>Richard Mansell and I'm wondering if they will meet the same fate? I hope
>this is an approiate question for this forum, but can anyone enlighten me on
>this one?
>
>Thank you
>Sue
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>Good Golly Miss Molly! (as Little Richard used to say) but I may be in
the wrong business. I am in California and regularly ship and receive plant
material from, let's say all over the world. and whereas I have run into
overzealous inspectors who do very naughty things, it has not happened for
years; nor often. Perhaps 3 times in 18 years. It would be of some interest
to know if the nursery targeted had a history with the AG department. It is
not something I would allow to pass without considerable challenge. There
are other mail order companies in the Agriculturally-sensitive states like
Florida, Arizona, California, and I forgot who, and they conform to some
inspection and paper and red tape and all goes well. It is of interest to
me that when I lived in Boston and received exotic shipments, many of them
with live scorpions and other pets included, the Ag dept had no interest.
All such things were presumed to be too tropical to survive in Boston, and
parcels were not even opened for inspection!
Hermine and Roger Stover
E-mail hermine@endangeredspecies.com
roger@endangeredspecies.com
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From: plantnut at shadow.net (Dewey Fisk) on 1997.02.09 at 05:06:59(309)
As a former State Plant Inspector from the State of Florida, I can tell you
that the 'Rules of Californina" are erratic at best. The situation, that
you described, of confiscation is certainly not unusual. Sometimes, it
seems that even Phytosanitary Certificates did not work. I wish you well
getting plants into California. The best way, as a private person, that I
have found is to mail them with no identification on the package.. This
way, they don't know.
Dewey
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Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut
THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE
Davie, Florida 33328
FAX: (954) 680-0305
e-mail: plantnut@shadow.net
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From: len at surfer.pcsonline.com (Leonard Dolatowski) on 1997.02.09 at 05:09:42(310)
To anyone who can tell me:
I recentenly tried to get a catalogue from an eastern nersery who informed
the forum that it would no longer be sending catalogs to California. The
reason for this is the California agriculture inspection process. CA.
aparently confiscated two different shipments comming from this particular
nersery and held them until they were beyond life, even though the reasons
were bogus. In the first case, the dead plants were sent back to the
nersery, and the second case the dead plants were sent on to the customer!
My question is this: I ordered some wonderfull Caladium tubers from
Richard Mansell and I'm wondering if they will meet the same fate? I hope
this is an approiate question for this forum, but can anyone enlighten me on
this one?
Thank you
Sue
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Hello Sue!
This is not an uncommon situation. We have friends in the plant
business, here in Florida that often send plants to California with a
similar situation occuring. I don't think it will be too long,
before alot of growers stop sending plants to California.
Len
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From: Hermine Stover <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 1997.02.09 at 16:04:06(311)
At 11:07 PM 2/8/97 -0600, Dewey Fisk wrote:
>As a former State Plant Inspector from the State of Florida, I can tell you
>that the 'Rules of Californina" are erratic at best. The situation, that
>you described, of confiscation is certainly not unusual. Sometimes, it
>seems that even Phytosanitary Certificates did not work. I wish you well
>getting plants into California. The best way, as a private person, that I
>have found is to mail them with no identification on the package.. This
>way, they don't know.
>Dewey
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>Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut
>THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE
>Davie, Florida 33328
>FAX: (954) 680-0305
>e-mail: plantnut@shadow.net
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>Yes a private party can do thit and only the plant is lost. but a
commercial mail-order nursery may not or I think the penalty is death. I
have encounterd some nurseries in New Jersey who will not ship to CA
because they feel they could not meet our standards. But look ath the
mail-order nurseries who do, like Logees, and White Flower Farms and all
those places who davertise in plant magazines. They do not report any
unusual problem. each state has its own highly specific regulations. Plants
grown in Florida soil may not come in, because the nematodes in Florida
soil would be very ahppy here, along with our native and other introduced
nematodes. and some of the other rules seem silly. But by no means is it
common. Many of my friends and customers regularly have plant material
shipped to them here in CA. But we all fear the Florida agricultureal
inspectors.
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3 acres of California-grown Bamboo, Palms, Cycads, Sansevierias, Exotics.
Visit us at http://www.endangeredspecies.com or (714)544-9505.e-mail to
nursery@endangeredspecies.com
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From: SNALICE at aol.com on 1997.02.09 at 16:07:35(312)
Thank you for your response. I do hope you're right and mine does't end up
being one of the '"few".
Sue
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From: SNALICE at aol.com on 1997.02.10 at 01:55:16(317)
Thank you Hermine, I'm glad to have info. from CA, and yes we do have
nematodes here. Those are the little things that eat up my carrots and beets
every summer. Whether these are native or foreign, I can't say, but we do
battle every year! This year I tried a beneficial nematode garden control
which contained "Steimema
Carpocapsae" and I won, so I guess they worked.
Thanks again
Sue
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