Spathiphyllum

From: "Toby Marsden" <tobym at beer.com> on 1999.04.20 at 20:06:53(3287) Hi All, I wonder if anyone knows of sources of _SPECIES_ Spathiphyllum within the EU (except wallisii!). My research has shown very little, except that several species were available in Britain almost 10 years ago (!). All attempts to track down specimens have proven fruitless. Even knowing of nurseries in the US would help... but is obviously harder due to the paperwork involved. Thanks in advance for any help. Kindest Regards, Toby +More -- Toby Marsden Herefordshire, UK

From: Wilbert Hetterscheid <hetter at vkc.nl> on 1999.04.21 at 15:30:56(3292) Toby, Momentarily the breeding of Spathiphyllum is almost entirely based on swarms of hybrids and species names are no longer applicable or wanted. The one that is recognisable to species is S. floribundum, every now and then but the name is quite often wrongly applied to cultivars as 'Mauna Loa' etc., which are way too large for the species and are in effect hybrids too. Sorry but I am afraid you're attempts will be in vain. Cheers, Wilbert +More > ---------- > From: Toby Marsden[SMTP:tobym@beer.com] > Reply To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Sent: dinsdag 20 april 1999 22:05 > To: hetter@VKC.NL > Subject: Spathiphyllum > > Hi All, > > I wonder if anyone knows of sources of _SPECIES_ Spathiphyllum within > the EU > (except wallisii!). My research has shown very little, except that > several > species were available in Britain almost 10 years ago (!). All > attempts to > track down specimens have proven fruitless. > > Even knowing of nurseries in the US would help... but is obviously > harder > due to the paperwork involved. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Kindest Regards, > > Toby > -- > Toby Marsden > Herefordshire, UK > > >

From: "Toby Marsden" <tobym at beer.com> on 1999.04.21 at 20:39:08(3294) Wilbert, >Momentarily the breeding of Spathiphyllum is almost entirely based on >swarms of hybrids and species names are no longer applicable or wanted. >The one that is recognisable to species is S. floribundum, every now and >then but the name is quite often wrongly applied to cultivars as 'Mauna >Loa' etc., which are way too large for the species and are in effect >hybrids too. > >Sorry but I am afraid you're attempts will be in vain. I have had an offer from a collector in the netherlands (Hans Avelink) for S. floribundum as well as two undefined species (ID'll be tricky, no?). I know that there are several institutions within the UK that have a number of Spath species - I'm trying to "cultivate" a relationship with them! Thanks for your message, and I'll keep looking and hoping. Kindest regards, Toby +More -- Toby Marsden Herefordshire, UK

From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 1999.04.22 at 16:02:17(3295) Toby, Like you I have tried to obtain Spathiphyllum species without much luck. I do remember seeing one grower with a beautiful dwarf species only about 6 inches or so high with broad, rounded leaves and I think reflexed spathes. He did not know the species. I think it was the Rainforest (I think thats the name) nursery near Oxford and they might be worth contacting (I will try and dig out their address if I havent already given it to you in the past). Regarding the two unidentified species from the grower in the Netherlands, there is a published key to the genus which I can get a copy of for you if and when you need/want it. Its a few years old now but might be of use. Let me know. Geoffrey Kibby

From: "Peter Boyce" <pb02kg at lion.rbgkew.org.uk> on 1999.04.22 at 18:25:30(3298) Geoff/Toby The plant you describe, Spathiphyllum floribundum, was sold by the now-defunct nursery Anmore Exotics (now Wyld Court Rainforest - a private tropical plant collection) at Hamstead Norreys, near Reading in Berkshire, UK. Spathiphyllum floribundum periodically appears in the trade in the UK but is not anywhere so easy to grow as the 'wallisii/Mauna Loa' types and thus seldom remains in cult. for long. Two other species are available (sorry if you've got these and have said so, Toby, I've not been following all of this discussion): Sainsbury Homebase (for the benefit of US aroid-l folks this is a chain D.I.Y. supermarket here in the UK) is selling S. coclearispathum at some of its outlets for 20 quid or so and several aquarist stores are selling Spathiphyllum cannifolium or S. commutatum (probably the latter) as a fishtank decorative under the name 'Kelantan Sword'. Next time you're at Kew, Toby, take a look the spathiphyllums in the Victoria Tank in the Princess of Wales Conservatory, they are plants I got as 'Kelantan Sword' from an aquarist near Heathrow. Pete +More ---------------------------- Peter Boyce Herbarium Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Richmond, Surrey TW9 3AE Tel. (+44) (0)181 332 5207 ((+ 44) 208 332 5207 from June 1999) fax. (+44) (0)208 332 5278 ((+44) 208 332 5207 from June 1999) email: p.boyce@rbgkew.org.uk (work) boyce@pothos.demon.co.uk (home)

From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 1999.04.23 at 15:05:49(3300) Peter, Many thanks for the info, I will certainly go to my nearest Homebase and hunt for S. cochlearispathum, a species I am not familiar with. If I find one I will let Toby know, plus there are several Aquarists near me that I can check for the other species. I will post the results of my searches over this weekend to the list. When I lived in the US a few years ago there was a very miniature species widely for sale there in some supermarkets, anyone know which species that is? It was very attractive but I didnt find it very easy to grow. +More Regards, Geoffrey Kibby

From: "Peter Boyce" <pb02kg at lion.rbgkew.org.uk> on 1999.04.23 at 16:07:34(3302) Geoff The very small Spath., did it look like a miniaturized S. wallisii? If so, then it's a cultivar but I don't know the name off hand. It's also for sale in the UK but is sensitive. Wilbert might know what thebDutch trade is callling it (assuming that the stocks for sale in the UK originate from Holland). Pete +More ---------------------------- Peter Boyce Herbarium Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Richmond, Surrey TW9 3AE Tel. (+44) (0)181 332 5207 ((+ 44) 208 332 5207 from June 1999) fax. (+44) (0)208 332 5278 ((+44) 208 332 5207 from June 1999) email: p.boyce@rbgkew.org.uk (work) boyce@pothos.demon.co.uk (home)

From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 1999.04.23 at 22:13:45(3303) Peter, No, it was nothing like S. wallisii, the spathe (casting my mind back) was small and rather rounded or at least blunt at the tip and reflexed, and the leaves were broader, thicker in texture and not shiny like wallisi. Very pretty little thing. Went searching in 3 Homebases today for S. cochlearispathum but all I saw was wallisii and the giant S. "sensation" :-( Peter, if you should see it in your travels around London or elsewhere will you let me know, I am willing to travel long distances to get one (I am near Wimbledon). Best wishes, Geoffrey

From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 1999.04.25 at 23:31:23(3304) >Geoff > >The very small Spath., did it look like a miniaturized S. wallisii? If > >so, then it's a cultivar but I don't know the name off hand. It's also > >for sale in the UK but is sensitive. > >Wilbert might know what thebDutch trade is callling it (assuming >that the stocks for sale in the UK originate from Holland). > >Pete +More > >---------------------------- >Peter Boyce >Herbarium >Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Peter, Further to my last posting, having checked my notes and my memory (I was in the US about 8 years ago!) and comparing against the few descriptions I have of Spaths I realize the miniature species had to have been S. floribundum. I would love to try this again if anyone has this in Britain or Europe. Regards, Geoffrey

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 1999.04.25 at 23:36:30(3305) >>aquarist stores are selling Spathiphyllum cannifolium or S. commutatum (probably the latter) as a fishtank decorative under the name 'Kelantan Sword'. Next time you're at Kew, Toby, take a look the spathiphyllums in the Victoria Tank in the Princess of Wales Conservatory, they are plants I got as 'Kelantan Sword' from an aquarist near Heathrow. +More Pete<< Dear Pete, Are the S. cannifolium in the tank growing (and blooming?)COMPLETELY submerged, or just as bog plants?? I have also seen them here in W.P.B., Florida being sold in trop. fish stores as an aquatic . I have seen this species in the wild in T`dad, W.I., growing in shallow areas of rivers/streams with all roots submerged, and when these streams/rivers are in flood the plants become completely submerged, leaves and all, for a period of time. They are largest and with the most blooms when they grow in large 'stands' above the river`s water level in the rich loam on the raised banks . Cheers, Julius

From: "Peter Boyce" <Boyce at pothos.demon.co.uk> on 1999.04.25 at 23:52:58(3306) Geoff That thing sounds like S. floribundum. Was at a Homebase today (at Slough) but no S. cochlearispathum...will of course keep an eye open for it and let you know. Pete

From: "Peter Boyce" <Boyce at pothos.demon.co.uk> on 1999.04.26 at 14:41:02(3308) Julius They are growing with their pots submerged to within 1 cm of the rims. Water temp. 80F (mid 20s C). They're in a heavy loamy compost and flower almost continuously. Pete +More p.s. I got your 'strange Caladium' mailing and will be answering. Pete

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 1999.04.27 at 15:09:26(3309) >Julius They are growing with their pots submerged to within 1 cm of the rims. Water temp. 80F (mid 20s C). They're in a heavy loamy compost and flower almost continuously. Pete p.s. I got your 'strange Caladium' mailing and will be answering. Pete< Dear Pete, Thanks for the info. on S. cannifolium, I love these plants as they were a big part of my 'growing up'. Hope you are interested in doing something w/ this VERY strange 'Caladium'(?) as I have a gut feeling that there may be something 'special' about it. Look forward to hearing from you when time permits. Sincerely, Julius +More ju-bo@msn.com

From: Wilbert Hetterscheid <hetter at vkc.nl> on 1999.05.17 at 18:14:11(3365) The only true small Spathiphyllum in the Dutch trade is S. floribundum. The suggestion that S. 'Mauna Loa' is a cultivar of this species is a notorious, yet persistent mistake. Wilbert +More > ---------- > From: Peter Boyce[SMTP:pb02kg@lion.rbgkew.org.uk] > Reply To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Sent: vrijdag 23 april 1999 18:06 > To: hetter@VKC.NL > Subject: Re: Spathiphyllum > > Geoff > > The very small Spath., did it look like a miniaturized S. wallisii? If > > so, then it's a cultivar but I don't know the name off hand. It's also > > for sale in the UK but is sensitive. > > Wilbert might know what thebDutch trade is callling it (assuming > that the stocks for sale in the UK originate from Holland). > > Pete > > ---------------------------- > Peter Boyce > Herbarium > Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew > Richmond, Surrey > TW9 3AE > Tel. (+44) (0)181 332 5207 ((+ 44) 208 332 5207 from June 1999) > fax. (+44) (0)208 332 5278 ((+44) 208 332 5207 from June 1999) > email: p.boyce@rbgkew.org.uk (work) > boyce@pothos.demon.co.uk (home) >

From: Diana Pederson <enabling at netzero.net> on 1999.05.18 at 14:59:46(3368) Can anyone tell me about the origin of Spathiphyloum Domino? I love its variegation. -- +More Diana Pederson, Lansing, Michigan, United States, USDA Zone 5 Editor: http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/enabling_garden ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

From: claire.piette at rug.ac.be on 2000.12.14 at 15:48:24(5776) We have some troubles with the scientific name of Spahiphyllum 'Alpha'. Is this cultivar a wallisii or a floribundum? We think floribundums have a small flower and thick, small leaves, whereas wallisii's are bigger and have thinner leaves. 'Alpha' seems to be wallisii. Is this true? Hope someone can help me. Claire

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.12.15 at 16:16:19(5778) Claire, In general, your descriptions of wallisii and floribundum seem o.k. but in cultivar-nomenclature, species names are often discarded because the genetic history (breeding history) includes material of more than one species. Such is the case with quite many Spathiphyllum cultivars. The name Spathiphyllum 'Alpha' in itself is enough to identify the cultivar and keep its name unique. Why would you go to lenghts to try to discover if it has the right to have a species name as well? It may even be misleading. Sorry, rather depressing answer, isn't it? Wilbert Hetterscheid +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: donderdag 14 december 2000 16:48 Subject: Spathiphyllum > We have some troubles with the scientific name of Spahiphyllum > 'Alpha'. Is this cultivar a wallisii or a floribundum? > We think floribundums have a small flower and thick, small leaves, > whereas wallisii's are bigger and have thinner leaves. 'Alpha' seems > to be wallisii. Is this true? > Hope someone can help me. > > Claire >

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