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Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
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From: paul at rareplants.co.uk (Paul Christian) on 1998.09.08 at 00:40:54(2582)
Hello,
I wonder if anyone is able to help me at all with this Argentinian
Aroid. I have just received two photographs and a name, in advance of
some corms. Before I kill the little beasties I wondered if anyone has
an inkling of the plant.
I am told that it is in Deni Bown's book, but believe that is not now in
print.
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If anyone would like to see the pictures, I will scan and post them at
"http://rareplants.co.uk/aroids/synandr.htm"
thanks in advance for any help that anyone can offer
Paul Christian
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From: Steve Marak <samarak at arachne.uark.edu> on 1998.09.11 at 15:07:33(2585)
Since I am usually the one who initiates discussion of S. vermitoxicus on
Aroid-L, I have held my tongue - electronically speacking - for a couple
of days to give others the chance to respond. Alas, no one has, so I feel
compelled to post something.
Paul, my S. vermitoxicus is from Tom (Croat) and Petra (Malesevich), of
and formerly of MoBot. I've had it several years now, and it has proven
fairly easy to grow. It reliably breaks dormancy in early spring (March, I
think) in the greenhouse, usually puts up at least one inflorescence,
sometimes a couple, and reliably goes dormant about this time in the fall
regardless of whether it has spent the summer in the greenhouse or
outside.
I avoid giving it any water while dormant, but it has been tolerant of the
occasionaly light misting or splatter from reckless watering of nearby
plants. The soil is faster draining then my usual mix but otherwise
standard (I think I added some horticultural charcoal simply because at
the time that's what I had at hand). The winter temperature in the
greenhouse stays in the 60's (F) or higher by day, possibly as low as 55
(F) at night, but that doesn't seem to affect it's dormancy.
My plant slowly but regularly produces offsets, which Wilbert feels is
unusual for the species. I've promised him the next offset, and now that
the plant is going under for the winter I need to unpot it and see what's
there.
I've tried several times to get more information about the temperature and
climate extremes in its native range, without much success. I've never
gotten seeds from my plant, and would like to very much because I want
some additional plants. I did put one offset outside for the winter a
couple of years ago, but results were inconclusive, because I got
impatient and started looking for it, and the tuber suffered serious
shovel blight during the exploration. (It was intact - i.e., not rotted,
and seemed healthy - but had not started growth even though it was 60 days
later than when the plant in the greenhouse had put up leaves. Or rather
it was apparently intact before I started poking around.)
I'd certainly be interested in any information you have about the habitat,
especially the temperature ranges at the extremes.
Steve
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-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@arachne.uark.edu
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From: Aroideae at aol.com on 1998.09.11 at 22:35:27(2587)
Hi Steve,
I'll pass along the information I have on my Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
acquired from the Huntington Botanical Garden in '95. It is from a seed cross
of two collections from the same locale. Both were collected near Chujillas,
Bolivia along the Rio Mizque, at 5,700ft, in what was described as a
seasonally dry, rocky riverbed. It was growing along with Gymnocalcium
pflanzii v. zigarre and Neocardenasia herzogiare. The species was said to be
native to Argentina and Bolivia. Water is to be withheld in winter.
My plant has never made offsets but continues to increase in size every year.
Like you, I grow in a loose mix with good aeration, but in a relatively small
pot. I'm thinking of trying a proportionately larger container. It growns
easily in the greenhouse with 60deg minimum. I wish we could find out a
temperature range for it, but the above mentioned 5700ft is probably a good
clue.
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Best,
Lynn Hannon
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 1998.09.12 at 18:58:10(2589)
>>Since I am usually the one who initiates discussion of S. vermitoxicus on
Aroid-L, I have held my tongue - electronically speacking - for a couple
of days to give others the chance to respond. Alas, no one has, so I feel
compelled to post something.
..
I've tried several times to get more information about the temperature and
climate extremes in its native range, without much success. I've never
gotten seeds from my plant, and would like to very much because I want
some additional plants. I did put one offset outside for the winter a
couple of years ago, but results were inconclusive, because I got
impatient and started looking for it, and the tuber suffered serious
shovel blight during the exploration. (It was intact - i.e., not rotted,
and seemed healthy - but had not started growth even though it was 60 days
later than when the plant in the greenhouse had put up leaves. Or rather
it was apparently intact before I started poking around.)
I'd certainly be interested in any information you have about the habitat,
especially the temperature ranges at the extremes.
Steve
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-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@arachne.uark.edu<<
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Dear Steve,
I enjoyed your post, and even though I do not grow this species, I am
responding to your final para. concerning temp. ranges.
Many years ago I worked for a short time on the plains of S. W. Bolivia.,
close to the mountains, near a small village called Sunchal; it was on the
train line to Argentina, as far as I can remember about 25 kms N. of the
border. Apart from a couple of oil rigs, their main "industry" was
producing rail-road ties from the surrounding jungle (this looked like a
northern Florida oak-type forest), and making charcoal with the left over
branches, etc. Very poor people, who worked for the main land owner/job
producer, and were beholden to him for everything, including potable water
from his well, which he kept fenced in, and opened the gate when they
cleaned up the area or did various chores. Sad. I was there during their
winter, and though the days were warm and generally sunny, the nights were
COLD, down to almost or at freezing! Lynn hannon`s post says her plant was
collected at 5000' plus, so it probably gets cold as heck up there!
Hope that this is of help, and good luck.
Cheers,
Julius
ju-bo@msn.com
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From: "James W. Waddick" jim-jim at swbell.net> on 2000.07.04 at 02:07:08(4973)
>Dear All,
I receive the following note from the International Bulb
Society and am passing along for comments and advice. Appreciate any
suggestions for Andrew and please send comments to me if you prefer
privacy.
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Thanks Jim W.
>I am curious about Synandrospadix vermitoxicus. It comes from
>the mountains of Bolivia. With veined leaves and purple flowers with
>black markings, it is eye-catching when happy.
>
>If someone is familiar with the plant do say so. Mine has not increased
>in size in five years. It blooms a little each year but is not nearly so
>vigorous as I believe it should. It is growing in a three gallon
>container in a humus-rich mix and is in partial shade. In winter I just
>keep it like Amorphophallus, leaving it dry after it dies down.
>
>Andrew
>San Diego, California
Dr. James W. Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
USA
Ph. 816-746-1949
E-fax 419-781-8594
Zone 5 Record low -23F
Summer 100F +
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From: "James W. Waddick" jim-jim at swbell.net> on 2000.07.04 at 02:38:27(4974)
>Dear All,
I receive the following note from the International Bulb
Society and am passing along for comments and advice. Appreciate any
suggestions for Andrew and please send comments to me if you prefer
privacy.
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Thanks Jim W.
>I am curious about Synandrospadix vermitoxicus. It comes from
>the mountains of Bolivia. With veined leaves and purple flowers with
>black markings, it is eye-catching when happy.
>
>If someone is familiar with the plant do say so. Mine has not increased
>in size in five years. It blooms a little each year but is not nearly so
>vigorous as I believe it should. It is growing in a three gallon
>container in a humus-rich mix and is in partial shade. In winter I just
>keep it like Amorphophallus, leaving it dry after it dies down.
>
>Andrew
>San Diego, California
Dr. James W. Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
USA
Ph. 816-746-1949
E-fax 419-781-8594
Zone 5 Record low -23F
Summer 100F +
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From: Don Burns donburns at macconnect.com> on 2000.07.05 at 01:37:11(4979)
>Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:30:54 -0500 (CDT)
>Reply-To: edggon@hotmail.com
>Originator: aroid-l@mobot.org
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>From: "Eduardo Goncalves"
>To: aroid-owner@mobot.org
>Subject: Re: Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
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>Sender: "Eduardo Goncalves"
>Subject: Re: Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
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>Dear Jim and Andrew,
>
> I still don't grow Synandrospadix vermitoxicus, but maybe I have some
>information on Spathicarpoids that can be usefull. The first thing is that
>most Spathicarpoids like plenty of light. In the field, they are usually
>found in disturbed portions of the forest, mainly in sunny spots. Maybe some
>direct sunlight (early in the morning, for instance) may make your
>Synandrospadix happier. The biggest and strongest plants of Taccarum
>warmingii as well as T. weddellianum are found under direct sun! The leaves
>are usually slightly yellowish, but the tubers can become really big. Other
>thing is that it seems to like well-drained soil. Maybe the substrate you
>are using is too heavy for Synandrospadix. It occurs in rocky or somewhat
>sandy soils at the Chaco vegetation, usually among spiny shrubs and small
>and dangerous spiny trees. Believe me, the Chaco vegetation doesn't look
>like the Garden of Eden! I went there once, two years ago, and maybe I still
>have some scars... Maybe you should make the habitat of your plant more
>harshy! Also, a good clue is to put some limestone (powder) on your
>substrate. Most Spathicarpoids (with exception of the helophytes) enjoy it.
>If nothing works, buy a ticket to Bolivia and let your plant go home! (Just
>kidding)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Eduardo.
>
>
>>From: "James W. Waddick"
>>Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org
>>To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L
>>Subject: Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
>>Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:38:24 -0500 (CDT)
>>
>> >Dear All,
>>
>> I receive the following note from the International Bulb
>>Society and am passing along for comments and advice. Appreciate any
>>suggestions for Andrew and please send comments to me if you prefer
>>privacy.
>> Thanks Jim W.
>>
>>
>> >I am curious about Synandrospadix vermitoxicus. It comes from
>> >the mountains of Bolivia. With veined leaves and purple flowers with
>> >black markings, it is eye-catching when happy.
>> >
>> >If someone is familiar with the plant do say so. Mine has not increased
>> >in size in five years. It blooms a little each year but is not nearly so
>> >vigorous as I believe it should. It is growing in a three gallon
>> >container in a humus-rich mix and is in partial shade. In winter I just
>> >keep it like Amorphophallus, leaving it dry after it dies down.
>> >
>> >Andrew
>> >San Diego, California
>>
>>Dr. James W. Waddick
>>8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
>>Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
>>USA
>>Ph. 816-746-1949
>>E-fax 419-781-8594
>>
>>Zone 5 Record low -23F
>> Summer 100F +
>>
>>
>>
>
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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2000.07.05 at 01:40:35(4982)
Dear Jim and Andrew,
I still don't grow Synandrospadix vermitoxicus, but maybe I have some
information on Spathicarpoids that can be usefull. The first thing is that
most Spathicarpoids like plenty of light. In the field, they are usually
found in disturbed portions of the forest, mainly in sunny spots. Maybe some
direct sunlight (early in the morning, for instance) may make your
Synandrospadix happier. The biggest and strongest plants of Taccarum
warmingii as well as T. weddellianum are found under direct sun! The leaves
are usually slightly yellowish, but the tubers can become really big. Other
thing is that it seems to like well-drained soil. Maybe the substrate you
are using is too heavy for Synandrospadix. It occurs in rocky or somewhat
sandy soils at the Chaco vegetation, usually among spiny shrubs and small
and dangerous spiny trees. Believe me, the Chaco vegetation doesn't look
like the Garden of Eden! I went there once, two years ago, and maybe I still
have some scars... Maybe you should make the habitat of your plant more
harshy! Also, a good clue is to put some limestone (powder) on your
substrate. Most Spathicarpoids (with exception of the helophytes) enjoy it.
If nothing works, buy a ticket to Bolivia and let your plant go home! (Just
kidding)
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Best wishes,
Eduardo.
>From: "James W. Waddick"
>Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org
>To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L
>Subject: Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
>Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:38:24 -0500 (CDT)
>
> >Dear All,
>
> I receive the following note from the International Bulb
>Society and am passing along for comments and advice. Appreciate any
>suggestions for Andrew and please send comments to me if you prefer
>privacy.
> Thanks Jim W.
>
>
> >I am curious about Synandrospadix vermitoxicus. It comes from
> >the mountains of Bolivia. With veined leaves and purple flowers with
> >black markings, it is eye-catching when happy.
> >
> >If someone is familiar with the plant do say so. Mine has not increased
> >in size in five years. It blooms a little each year but is not nearly so
> >vigorous as I believe it should. It is growing in a three gallon
> >container in a humus-rich mix and is in partial shade. In winter I just
> >keep it like Amorphophallus, leaving it dry after it dies down.
> >
> >Andrew
> >San Diego, California
>
>Dr. James W. Waddick
>8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
>Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
>USA
>Ph. 816-746-1949
>E-fax 419-781-8594
>
>Zone 5 Record low -23F
> Summer 100F +
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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From: "Alan Galloway" alan_galloway at bellsouth.net> on 2000.10.24 at 02:01:25(5595)
I have a few seeds of Synandrospadix vermitoxicus availble.
If anyone is interested, please contact me directly at
alan_galloway@bellsouth.net (replies back to the list
will be ignored) for details.
Alan
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P.O. Box 37456 alan_galloway@ncsu.edu
Raleigh, NC 27627 USA
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~alan/ (ph. & fax) 919-881-2008
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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2000.10.25 at 02:03:58(5597)
Alan,
If a seed could wing its way over here I would be most grateful. In return I
can offer seeds of various Anthurium species as and when they appear (I
currently have A. trinerve, A. scandens, A. macrolobum, A. andicola in
various stages of berry).
Best wishes,
Geoffrey Kibby
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43 Keevil Drive
Southfields
London SW19 6TE
UK
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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2000.10.25 at 02:06:34(5598)
>I have a few seeds of Synandrospadix vermitoxicus availble.<
Dear Alan,
Perhaps you should make contact w/ Lynn Hannon as she also has seed of this
packaged, this may prevent you guys duplicating effort and one person
winding up w/ lots of seed.
Cheers,
Julius
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If anyone is interested, please contact me directly at
alan_galloway@bellsouth.net (replies back to the list
will be ignored) for details.
Alan
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P.O. Box 37456 alan_galloway@ncsu.edu
Raleigh, NC 27627 USA
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~alan/ (ph. & fax) 919-881-2008
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From: "Alan Galloway" alan_galloway at bellsouth.net> on 2000.10.25 at 03:41:37(5602)
>Perhaps you should make contact w/ Lynn Hannon as she also has seed of this
>packaged, this may prevent you guys duplicating effort and one person
>winding up w/ lots of seed.
>
>
Julius,
We've already done that! good thinking on you part.
alan
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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2000.10.25 at 23:31:09(5604)
>Perhaps you should make contact w/ Lynn Hannon as she also has seed of this
>packaged, this may prevent you guys duplicating effort and one person
>winding up w/ lots of seed.
>
>
>Julius,
We've already done that! good thinking on you part.
alan<
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Dear Alan,
You are welcome! Do you have a couple for Geoffery Kibby in the UK??
Sincerely,
Julius
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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2000.10.25 at 23:33:38(5605)
Alan
Just realised I did exactly what you said not to do and replied to the list!
Apologies to all, brain thinks one thing and hand does another....I need a
vacation...
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Geoffrey
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From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.10.26 at 03:01:39(5607)
It is so nice to have company in the absent minded professorship.
Betsy
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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2000.10.28 at 19:16:45(5614)
Hello Geoffery!
Do you have Taccarum wedd. as yet??
Let me know ASAP.
Cheers,
Julius
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>Alan,
If a seed could wing its way over here I would be most grateful. In return I
can offer seeds of various Anthurium species as and when they appear (I
currently have A. trinerve, A. scandens, A. macrolobum, A. andicola in
various stages of berry).
Best wishes,
Geoffrey Kibby
43 Keevil Drive
Southfields
London SW19 6TE
UK
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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2000.10.29 at 05:23:59(5615)
Julius,
Hi! No, I do not have Taccarum weddellianum! Have only ever seen the pic in
Deni Bown with the amazing spadix, about as weird as they come.
Best wishes,
Geoffrey
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From: "Fausto Ceni" cenfaust at tin.it> on 2001.01.23 at 15:12:54(5852)
Dear Friends,
I am searching detailed notices on climate, ecology and
general life story of Synandrospadix vermitoxicus.
There is someone who can give me some advice on where it
lives, rain and temperature through the year in the home of
this plant, something about life cycle and hints to
germinate seeds? Who has seen it in nature?
Many thanks!
Fausto
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Dr. Ing. Fausto Ceni
Via Marsala 8
I-25122 BRESCIA
ITALY
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From: Al Wootten awootten at NRAO.EDU> on 2001.01.23 at 18:50:33(5856)
Fausto Ceni writes:
> Dear Friends,
> I am searching detailed notices on climate, ecology and
> general life story of Synandrospadix vermitoxicus.
> There is someone who can give me some advice on where it
> lives, rain and temperature through the year in the home of
> this plant, something about life cycle and hints to
> germinate seeds? Who has seen it in nature?
I once inquired, preceding a trip to Chile, what aroids I might find
there. I was told none, though there were plenty in various yards and
gardens around Santiago. I understand that this is one aroid which lives
very close, on the Argentinian side of the Andes (where I understand one
might find Gorgonidium vermicidum also) near Salta. This is the next
town from our site for the ALMA telescope array on the Jama road over
the Andes from Calama, Chile; sites near Salta were proposed also, being
touted as very dry. Higher is best, so the site was chosen at Chajnantor
near San Pedro de Atacama. If the weather in Salta is similar to that
at Chajnantor, the southern summer, sometimes called the 'Bolivian winter'
or more politically correctly the 'altiplanic winter' is the wet season.
During this period the wind shifts from a constant westerly flow over the
Atacama desert to an occasioal easterly flow up from the Amazon basin
bringing moisture to the peaks (and snowfall to Chajnantor, where there was
a several inch accumulation last week).
I'm not sure how much the weather at Chajnantor applies to Salta, but
we operate extensive weather monitoring equipment there, the data from which
may be examined at http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/mma/sites/sites.html
including photos etc.
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I would be interested sometime in taking a field trip and hiking around Salta.
If anyone knows how common these aroids are or what sort of microclimate
they enjoy, I would like to hear about that also. There are descriptions
on page 164 in The Genera of Araceae by Mayo, Bogner and Boyce, with color
photos of the flowers in Plate 115. The local climate is indeed described
as thorn country.
Clear skies,
Al
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From: "S.P.J. Hoogma" s.p.j.hoogma at hccnet.nl> on 2001.01.23 at 18:53:54(5858)
Dear Fausto,
This is what I have on the subject (internetsite of Paul Christian --did not
note his URL--)
greetings,
Sipke Hoogma
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s.p.j.hoogma@hccnet.nl
Synandrospadix
vermitoxicus
This is a genus of only one species spread across Peru, Bolivia and
Argentina where our original plant came from, near Salta in the Northwest of
the country. It is a native of warm, dry thorn forest where it grows in
clearings and shady, stony places. The plant grows through the summer and is
dry and dormant in the winter. Indeed the tubers are best lifted and stored
in the house, bone dry, during their winter rest. 18?C is ideal. Repot in
April-May or once a steady 12?C can be maintained. Place each tuber in a
clay pot three times their own diameter in a compost of 30% loam, 50% sand
and 20% peat (by volume). Water carefully until growth is established then
water and feed freely with balanced fertiliser when in full growth. Cease
watering mid October. This species revels in full sun (or very light shade)
with a dry atmosphere - avoid too much humidity, it is not a jungle plant !
In the right conditions the leaves turn a beautiful glaucous blue-green.
Flowering takes place when the plant is fully developed over summer and
repeat flowers numbering up to six are recorded by the few people who grow
it. Flowers are made freely but seed-set is rare, indeed it has only done so
once and these are the seedlings, now grown-up and flowering themselves in
1998.
Tubers are about 10cm diameter and just under 50gm in weight. These are
naturally covered in tiny oxalate crystals which repel and kill insects and
wildlife, hence the latin name, the crystals may also irritate sensitive
human skins, so wash you hands after handling them and be warned that the
tubers, in common with most aroids, (Arum, Biarum, Arisaema etc) are
poisonous if eaten.
----- Original Message -----
To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
> Dear Friends,
> I am searching detailed notices on climate, ecology and
> general life story of Synandrospadix vermitoxicus.
> There is someone who can give me some advice on where it
> lives, rain and temperature through the year in the home of
> this plant, something about life cycle and hints to
> germinate seeds? Who has seen it in nature?
> Many thanks!
> Fausto
>
> Dr. Ing. Fausto Ceni
> Via Marsala 8
> I-25122 BRESCIA
> ITALY
>
>
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From: Tony Avent tony at plantdel.com> on 2001.01.23 at 21:36:04(5859)
Dear Aroiders:
Since we are talking about Synandrospadix, what is the coldest winter
temperatures that anyone has grown this plant? We have them some out, and
will know in spring, but just curious what results others have seen growing
this outdoors.
Tony Avent
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Plant Delights Nursery @
Juniper Level Botanic Garden
9241 Sauls Road
Raleigh, NC 27603 USA
Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F
Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F
USDA Hardiness Zone 7b
email tony@plantdel.com
website http://www.plantdel.com
phone 919 772-4794
fax 919 662-0370
"I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least
three times" - Avent
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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2001.01.24 at 05:39:59(5862)
Dear Al,
Once again, I must say that I have never seen these goodies (Gorgonidium
and Synandrospadix) in nature as yet, but I have read a lot of herbarium
schedules! (I am still lurking among dead plants with Andean Spathicarpoids)
Both Synandrospadix vermitoxicus and Gorgonidium vermicidum seem to be very
common in Salta and there are lots of collections known. Jorge Crisci in his
revision of Aroids from Argentina (Crisci, 1971, Rev. Mus. de La Plata Bot.
11(64):193-284) lists approximately 15 collections of S. vermitoxicus and 10
collections of G. vermicidum only from Salta province, and it was in 1971!
Many more were collected since then. Such numbers show that they are common,
because aroids are usually overlooked by plant collectors. Both species are
known to be fond of well drained rocky soils, mainly at the margins of small
fragments of forest or gallery forests. Synandrospadix seems to like sunny
spots or very bright shade. There is a tip: don't go during the southern
winter (from May to September) or you won't find anything. Most collections
were done from November to April. There is another tip: If you find one of
them, look around and maybe you will also find the other one. Tuberous
aroids are not so creative in South America, so they usually occur together!
Every time I find Taccarum I take a look around and also find Spathicarpa
and sometimes some tuberous Xanthosoma. It is common to find herbarium
collections with a inflorescence of Spathantheum and a leaf of Gorgonidium.
They occur so close together that it is not possible for a common collector
to distingish between two different genera in the field.
Best wishes,
Eduardo.
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>I once inquired, preceding a trip to Chile, what aroids I might find
>there. I was told none, though there were plenty in various yards and
>gardens around Santiago. I understand that this is one aroid which lives
>very close, on the Argentinian side of the Andes (where I understand one
>might find Gorgonidium vermicidum also) near Salta. This is the next
>town from our site for the ALMA telescope array on the Jama road over
>the Andes from Calama, Chile; sites near Salta were proposed also, being
>touted as very dry. Higher is best, so the site was chosen at Chajnantor
>near San Pedro de Atacama. If the weather in Salta is similar to that
>at Chajnantor, the southern summer, sometimes called the 'Bolivian winter'
>or more politically correctly the 'altiplanic winter' is the wet season.
>During this period the wind shifts from a constant westerly flow over the
>Atacama desert to an occasioal easterly flow up from the Amazon basin
>bringing moisture to the peaks (and snowfall to Chajnantor, where there was
>a several inch accumulation last week).
>
>I'm not sure how much the weather at Chajnantor applies to Salta, but
>we operate extensive weather monitoring equipment there, the data from
>which
>may be examined at http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/mma/sites/sites.html
>including photos etc.
>
>I would be interested sometime in taking a field trip and hiking around
>Salta.
>If anyone knows how common these aroids are or what sort of microclimate
>they enjoy, I would like to hear about that also. There are descriptions
>on page 164 in The Genera of Araceae by Mayo, Bogner and Boyce, with color
>photos of the flowers in Plate 115. The local climate is indeed described
>as thorn country.
>
>Clear skies,
>Al
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From: Al Wootten awootten at NRAO.EDU> on 2001.01.26 at 00:37:40(5879)
Hi, Eduardo
Thanks for the interesting information on the collections of S. vermitoxicus
which you sent. As it so happens, no one likes visiting the 16500 ft site
during May-October, so our campaigns concentrate on the most favorable
months for aroids also. I may try this during the April campaign if I go
down.
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From: Alwyn Wootten <alwootten at gmail.com> on 2011.01.06 at 22:24:04(21709)
Happy New Decade all!
A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
extended work trip to Chile. One plant died back several weeks ago as
expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave dry
but potted until spring?
I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
Clear skies,
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From: Christopher Rogers <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2011.01.07 at 14:37:36(21713)
Good morning!
Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap fungicide). You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep it cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the wild, they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or absorb moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are watered. It is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot or pests. Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from repotting. But like I said, it is not necessarily required.
I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant came from Enid. I later collected some in Chile.
Happy days,
Christopher
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Happy New Decade all!
A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
extended work trip to Chile. One plant died back several weeks ago as
expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave dry
but potted until spring?
I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
Clear skies,
Al
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From: Alwyn Wootten <alwootten at gmail.com> on 2011.01.08 at 16:07:21(21716)
Hi Christopher
Thanks for the advice!
Where did you find Syandrospadix in Chile? I didn't know that they
ranged there; I spend a fair amount of time near San Pedro in the
North but I have not seen any in Chile (wild or cultivated).
Clear skies,
Al
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> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:37:36 -0600
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> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
> To: Discussion of aroids
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> Good morning!
>
> Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap
> fungicide). You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not
> watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep
> it cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the
> wild, they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many
> horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or
> absorb moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are
> watered. It is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot
> or pests. Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from
> repotting. But like I said, it is not necessarily required.
>
> I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant came
> from Enid. I later collected some in Chile.
>
> Happy days,
> Christopher
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alwyn Wootten wrote:
>
>> Happy New Decade all!
>>
>> A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
>> received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
>> extended work trip to Chile. One plant died back several weeks ago as
>> expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
>> inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
>> Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave dry
>> but potted until spring?
>>
>> I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
>>
>> Clear skies,
>> Al
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From: leezmoney1 at comcast.net on 2011.01.08 at 19:21:28(21717)
Quick question....I have my Synandrospadix stored dry, I question when and how deep to plant it. It is approximately a 2 inch tuber. I am in zone 5.
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Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
Good morning!
Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap fungicide). You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep it cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the wild, they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or absorb moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are watered. It is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot or pests. Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from repotting. But like I said, it is not necessarily required.
I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant came from Enid. I later collected some in Chile.
Happy days,
Christopher
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alwyn Wootten wrote:
Happy New Decade all!
A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
extended work trip to Chile. One plant died back several weeks ago as
expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave dry
but potted until spring?
I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
Clear skies,
Al
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From: Don Martinson <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2011.01.09 at 19:32:52(21720)
I also live in Zone 5 (SE Wisconsin). I have always kept my Synandrospadix stored potted and very dry over the winter in a cool (60F/16C) bedroom. The tuber sits about 2.5 inches below soil level. I have only unpotted it once in the past ten years, and that is when for some unknown reason, the tuber, which had already bloomed once for me, “decided” to split in two. I sold off one of the resulting, smaller tuber and the one I kept is finally reaching blooming size again.
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On 1/8/11 1:21 PM, "leezmoney1@comcast.net" wrote:
Quick question....I have my Synandrospadix stored dry, I question when and how deep to plant it. It is approximately a 2 inch tuber.. I am in zone 5.
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From: Christopher Rogers <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2011.01.10 at 14:54:32(21724)
Dear Al,
I inadvertently stumbled across a bed of a few dozen plants at an abandoned home/park area east of the La Serena/ Coquimbo area in 2007. It was obviously an ornamental planting. The area was near a stream that joined the Elqui River, and I had been directed there as someplace people had gone to fish. I was looking for crustaceans and found plenty! I really could not tell you how to get back there. I was directed there by a fellow who I met at my hotel in Coquimbo. The only other aroids I found in Chile were Lemna..
Happy days,
Christopher
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Hi Christopher
Thanks for the advice!
Where did you find Syandrospadix in Chile? I didn't know that they
ranged there; I spend a fair amount of time near San Pedro in the
North but I have not seen any in Chile (wild or cultivated).
Clear skies,
Al
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:37:36 -0600
> From: Christopher Rogers
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Good morning!
>
> Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap
> fungicide).. You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not
> watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep
> it cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the
> wild, they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many
> horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or
> absorb moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are
> watered. It is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot
> or pests. Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from
> repotting. But like I said, it is not necessarily required.
>
> I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant came
> from Enid. I later collected some in Chile.
>
> Happy days,
> Christopher
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alwyn Wootten wrote:
>
>> Happy New Decade all!
>>
>> A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
>> received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
>> extended work trip to Chile. One plant died back several weeks ago as
>> expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
>> inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
>> Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave dry
>> but potted until spring?
>>
>> I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
>>
>> Clear skies,
>> Al
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From: "Derek Burch" <derek at horticulturist.com> on 2011.01.12 at 18:30:47(21732)
Would the two or three people who have
this species high in their minds be interested in cooperating on a short piece
on it for Aroideana? Derek
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Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011
2:33 PM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix
vermitoxicus
I also live in Zone 5 (SE Wisconsin). I have always kept my Synandrospadix
stored potted and very dry over the winter in a cool (60F/16C) bedroom.
The tuber sits about 2.5 inches below soil level. I have only
unpotted it once in the past ten years, and that is when for some unknown
reason, the tuber, which had already bloomed once for me, “decided”
to split in two. I sold off one of the resulting, smaller tuber and the
one I kept is finally reaching blooming size again.
Don Martinson
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Mailto:llmen@wi.rr.com
On 1/8/11 1:21 PM, "leezmoney1@comcast.net"
wrote:
Quick question....I have my
Synandrospadix stored dry, I question when and how deep to plant it. It
is approximately a 2 inch tuber. I am in zone 5.
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From: <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2011.01.12 at 20:15:34(21737)
I would be more than happy to supply any information I can.
Don Martinson
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From: "Derek Burch" <derek at horticulturist.com> on 2011.01.20 at 22:16:15(21772)
Christopher,
A couple of weeks ago, when there was a
flurry of postings mentioning Synandrospadix I sent out a feeler to see if you
S.v. growerswould like to cooperate on a pice on this special aroid for
Aroideana. I have received some interesting notes from Don Martinson, but they
are not enough on their own to constitute an article. Would you be interested in
cooperating with him on a short piece with a picture or two. It would be good
to introduce the species to more members.
Please let me know if you would like to do
this.
Derek
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From:
aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Rogers
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011
9:38 AM
To: Discussion
of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l]
Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
Good morning!
Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap
fungicide). You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not
watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep it
cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the wild,
they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many
horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or absorb
moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are watered. It
is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot or pests.
Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from repotting. But like
I said, it is not necessarily required.
I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant
came from Enid.
I later collected some in Chile.
Happy days,
Christopher
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alwyn Wootten
href="mailto:alwootten@gmail.com"alwootten@gmail.com/a> wrote:
Happy New Decade all!
A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
extended work trip to Chile.
One plant died back several weeks ago as
expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave
dry
but potted until spring?
I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
Clear skies,
Al
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From: Alwyn Wootten <alwootten at gmail.com> on 2011.01.21 at 16:34:37(21785)
Folks,
My Synandrospadix still has green leaves. Should I withhold water and
allow it to dieback? I think I messed with its photocycle by keeping
it with my orchids under lights...
Thanks!
Clear skies,
Al
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> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:16:15 -0500
> From: "Derek Burch"
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
> To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
> Message-ID: <86E56A6EFC9C442EACB0AE58838C88EF@derekPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Christopher,
>
>
>
> A couple of weeks ago, when there was a flurry of postings mentioning
> Synandrospadix I sent out a feeler to see if you S.v. growerswould like to
> cooperate on a pice on this special aroid for Aroideana. I have received
> some interesting notes from Don Martinson, but they are not enough on the ir
> own to constitute an article. Would you be interested in cooperating with
> him on a short piece with a picture or two. It would be good to introduce
> the species to more members.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you would like to do this.
>
>
>
> Derek
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Roge rs
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:38 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
>
>
>
> Good morning!
>
>
>
> Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap
> fungicide). You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not
> watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep
> it cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the
> wild, they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many
> horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or
> absorb moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are
> watered. It is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot
> or pests. Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from
> repotting. But like I said, it is not necessarily required.
>
>
>
> I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant c ame
> from Enid. I later collected some in Chile.
>
>
>
> Happy days,
>
> Christopher
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alwyn Wootten wrote:
>
> Happy New Decade all!
>
> A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
> received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
> extended work trip to Chile. One plant died back several weeks ago as
> expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
> inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
> Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave dry
> but potted until spring?
>
> I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
>
> Clear skies,
> Al
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>
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> Kansas Biological Survey
> Kansas University, Higuchi Hall
> 2101 Constant Avenue, Lawrence, KS 66047-3759 USA
>
> http://www.kbs.ku.edu/people/html/profile_rogers.htm
> http://www.cpcb.ku.edu/
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From: leezmoney1 at comcast.net on 2011.01.22 at 18:22:52(21790)
Derek,
I was the one who had originally inquired about growing Synandrospadix Vermitoxicus, but have zero knowledge when it comes to the species; other than I obtained a corm late in the year. I too would appreciate additional information in the form of an artcle, but unfortunately I am no help. Sorry....
Lee Zagrakalis
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From: Derek Burch
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Sent: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:16:15 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
Christopher,
A couple of weeks ago, when there was a
flurry of postings mentioning Synandrospadix I sent out a feeler to see if you
S.v. growerswould like to cooperate on a pice on this special aroid for
Aroideana. I have received some interesting notes from Don Martinson, but they
are not enough on their own to constitute an article. Would you be interested in
cooperating with him on a short piece with a picture or two. It would be good
to introduce the species to more members.
Please let me know if you would like to do
this.
Derek
From:
aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Rogers
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011
9:38 AM
To: Discussion
of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l]
Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
Good morning!
Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap
fungicide). You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not
watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep it
cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the wild,
they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many
horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or absorb
moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are watered. It
is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot or pests.
Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from repotting. But like
I said, it is not necessarily required.
I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant
came from Enid.
I later collected some in Chile.
Happy days,
Christopher
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alwyn Wootten wrote:
Happy New Decade all!
A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
extended work trip to Chile.
One plant died back several weeks ago as
expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave
dry
but potted until spring?
I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
Clear skies,
Al
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From: Don Martinson <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2011.01.23 at 20:01:27(21799)
I guess if it were mine, I'd keep watering it. When mine "wants" to go
dormant (I keep mine outside for the summer, goes dormant in Sept.), the
leaves just collapse, not even turning yellow. Kind of freaked me out the
first time it happened - thought I'd killed the poor thing.
Don Martinson
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On 1/21/11 10:34 AM, "Alwyn Wootten" wrote:
> Folks,
>
> My Synandrospadix still has green leaves. Should I withhold water and
> allow it to dieback? I think I messed with its photocycle by keeping
> it with my orchids under lights...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Clear skies,
> Al
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From: "Denis" <denis at skg.com> on 2011.01.24 at 21:07:45(21804)
Somebody asked for a picture of synandrospadix vermitoxicus. This is the form I have been growing for about 10 years . This little beauty was given me by Julius Boos after the Aroid show years ago. I had never heard of thi I understand there are varieties with darker spathe coloration. Once it reaches this size as shown in the picture it flowers and fruits well and the seeds are easy to grow.. It sprouts from the corm/rhizome in march april and grows leaves and flowers quickly from the rhizome. Then it fruits With orange berries on the spadix wrapped inside the old spathe. Mine always go dormant by the time the Aroid show rolls around in mid- September. You can let it rest in the pot & soil without watering or unpot it and put it on the shelf in some peat moss to overwinter and sprout in springtime.
I assume it is a carrion flower, but I have never smelled the inflorescence stinking as being rotted flesh because I am not here in the nursery in the evening or at night. Be careful when handling plants stems, petioles and leaves as its sap is as caustic if not more so than Dieffenbachia juice. The name “Vermitoxicus” would roughly translate from latin as “Worm Poison” I do not know if this is an indication by the naming Botanist that the indigenous peoples used this plant as a wormicide for intestinal parasites or some other medicinal purpose. Whatever the reason it is a nice and very interesting aroid for the average plant nut to grow.
If you want to grow the seed you need to squeeze out the seeds from the ripe berries and remove the pulp stuff and also a thin red outer seed coating with a paper towel and rubber gloves. Using a pre-moistened peat and perlite soil mix in pots or trays push the seeds down into the mix about inch but do not cover with soil. Cover with a plastic bag or plastic wrap to keep humidity. They will germinate easily but somewhat sporadically as a group of seed. Then you will probably have more seedlings than you will know what to do with. The first year they will grow a small plant before going dormant in the Fall.
If there are any Botanists out there, please correct any errors that I may have inadvertently made. Steve would always have something to say about whatever I wrote. So, go ahead and ask them any if you got any questions.
If anyone wants one I am sure you can contact Enid Offholter at natural selection Exotics and she can send you one from her internet retail website. Unfortunately the little worm killers are all dormant for the Winter.
Denis
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From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of leezmoney1@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:23 PM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
Derek,
I was the one who had originally inquired about growing Synandrospadix Vermitoxicus, but have zero knowledge when it comes to the species; other than I obtained a corm late in the year. I too would appreciate additional information in the form of an artcle, but unfortunately I am no help. Sorry....
Lee Zagrakalis
----- Original Message -----
From: Derek Burch
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Sent: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:16:15 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
Christopher,
A couple of weeks ago, when there was a
flurry of postings mentioning Synandrospadix I sent out a feeler to see if you
S.v. growerswould like to cooperate on a pice on this special aroid for
Aroideana. I have received some interesting notes from Don Martinson, but they
are not enough on their own to constitute an article. Would you be interested in
cooperating with him on a short piece with a picture or two. It would be good
to introduce the species to more members.
Please let me know if you would like to do
this.
Derek
From:
aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Rogers
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011
9:38 AM
To: Discussion
of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l]
Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
Good morning!
Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap
fungicide). You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not
watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep it
cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the wild,
they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many
horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or absorb
moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are watered. It
is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot or pests.
Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from repotting. But like
I said, it is not necessarily required.
I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant
came from Enid.
I later collected some in Chile.
Happy days,
Christopher
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alwyn Wootten wrote:
Happy New Decade all!
A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
extended work trip to Chile.
One plant died back several weeks ago as
expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave
dry
but potted until spring?
I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
Clear skies,
Al
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From: Christopher Rogers <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2011.01.24 at 21:22:03(21806)
No. It will go down when it is ready. Start witholding water when it starts to go down.
Good luck!
Christopher
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Alwyn Wootten wrote:
Folks,
My Synandrospadix still has green leaves. Should I withhold water and
allow it to dieback? I think I messed with its photocycle by keeping
it with my orchids under lights...
Thanks!
Clear skies,
Al
On 1/20/11, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com
wrote:
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:16:15 -0500
> From: "Derek Burch"
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
> To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
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>
> Christopher,
>
>
>
> A couple of weeks ago, when there was a flurry of postings mentioning
> Synandrospadix I sent out a feeler to see if you S.v. growerswould like to
> cooperate on a pice on this special aroid for Aroideana. I have received
> some interesting notes from Don Martinson, but they are not enough on their
> own to constitute an article. Would you be interested in cooperating with
> him on a short piece with a picture or two. It would be good to introduce
> the species to more members.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you would like to do this.
>
>
>
> Derek
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Rogers
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:38 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix vermitoxicus
>
>
>
> Good morning!
>
>
>
> Synandrospadix can be stored dry. I would dust it with cinnamon (cheap
> fungicide). You can leave it in the pot and soil as long as you are not
> watering it or keeping it where it will absorb lots of moisture. Just keep
> it cool (never cold). This is true for all dry dormant species. In the
> wild, they do not unbury themselves. It is a good idea though, for many
> horticulturalists to do store the tuber dry if the pot will get cold, or
> absorb moisture from below the pot, or get splashed when other plants are
> watered. It is also a good idea to unpot the dormant tuber to look for rot
> or pests. Besides, the plant benefits from the new soil mixture from
> repotting. But like I said, it is not necessarily required.
>
>
>
> I really love Synandrospadix. It is one of my favorites. My first plant came
> from Enid. I later collected some in Chile.
>
>
>
> Happy days,
>
> Christopher
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alwyn Wootten wrote:
>
> Happy New Decade all!
>
> A year ago, my colleague Fred Schwab planted a few S. v. seeds I
> received via this list and nurtured them along while I went on an
> extended work trip to Chile. One plant died back several weeks ago as
> expected; Fred checked the pot today and found a nice tuber of several
> inches diameter. The tuber clearly needs repotting--any advice here?
> Store as is until spring, as I would A. konjac? Pot it up? Leave dry
> but potted until spring?
>
> I posted a photo to the Aroid Socy Facebook page.
>
> Clear skies,
> Al
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From: Don Martinson <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2011.01.27 at 00:51:58(21831)
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On 1/24/11 3:07 PM, "Denis" wrote:
If anyone wants one I am sure you can contact Enid Offholter at natural selection Exotics and she can send you one from her internet retail website. Unfortunately the little worm killers are all dormant for the Winter.
Denis
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Homestead Florida
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